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Old 05-24-2011, 06:45 PM
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In AK and Shack you are talking about horses that had 4 & 5 career starts going into the Derby. Now you are talking about them racing for the 3rd time in 5 weeks. Is it a bit excessive for a young lightly raced horse? I don't know what the right answer is , like I said maybe I have been influenced by the light schedules that many of the older horses have taken over the last couple of years.

As far as the purse goes, there are plenty of big ones in the summer as well.

I guess it might be an interesting poll question. What would you do if you were the owner of AK, Shack or MMM? Would you race for the 3rd time in 5 weeks or would you give your horse a break before prepping for the mid summer derbys and an eventual trip to the BC.
i figured that both would skip after the preakness...that was based on horses like street sense, who's trainer said 'what's the point?' when asked if he was going to belmont after losing to curlin.
however, i hope they both go...and in the current climate, i expect to see more racing rather than less. horses aren't commanding the stud fees they used to for one..and these horses don't have much separating them at this point. winning another classic, should animal kingdom or shackleford manage it, would be a huge boost for them when it comes time for them to retire. typically, when the breeding business takes a hit, like it has been recently, horses run longer. real quiet, silver charm and the like ran at four. then, when business boomed, they couldn't get them to the shed quickly enough. any time you see more racing rather than less, it's a good thing. these horses can handle it, it's the trainers who shy away.

also, shackleford evidently flourished after the derby-he apparently needed the race. he didn't quite hang in there in fla, or in ky-but look at how he ran in baltimore.
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Old 05-24-2011, 12:59 PM
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I don't know if I have been brain washed by the tactics of many of today's connections (by babying and over protecting horses), but I really don't understand or see the need for MMM (and for that matter Animal Kingdom/Shackelford) to run at Belmont. Obviously there is no TC at stake, so why run for the 3rd time in 5 weeks? Both horses (AK & Shack) have run big the last 2 races, so why not sit out the Belmont and rest up for the summer campaign?
If a horse manages to win two thirds of the triple crown in this crop they are probably going to win 3yo championship honors.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:42 PM
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If my horse was healthy, especially in a year like this one, I'm going to the Belmont. It's the Belmont, what a cool race to win... it's not like passing the Belmont guarantees you a healthy and fast horse come Travers Day.
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:08 PM
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Belmont Stakes probable starters:

Animal Kingdom Graham Motion 2nd - Preakness
Brilliant Speed Tom Albertrani 7th - Ky. Derby
Master of Hounds Aidan O'Brien 5th - Ky. Derby
Monzon Ignacio Correas IV 6th - Peter Pan
Mucho Macho Man Kathy Ritvo 6th - Preakness
Nehro Steve Asmussen 2nd - Ky. Derby
Prime Cut Neil Howard 3rd - Peter Pan
Ruler On Ice Kelly Breen 2nd - Federico Tesio
Santiva Eddie Kenneally 6th - Ky. Derby
Shackleford Dale Romans 1st - Preakness
Stay Thirsty Todd Pletcher 12th - Ky. Derby

Possibles:

Harlan’s Hello Doodnauth Shivmangal 1st - Op. claiming
Isn’t He Perfect Doodnauth Shivmangal 9th - Preakness
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:11 PM
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Not that I like him but isn't Twice the Appeal possible? Remember hearing Bonde was gonna send him since he will like the distance
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Old 05-25-2011, 04:13 PM
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Not that I like him but isn't Twice the Appeal possible? Remember hearing Bonde was gonna send him since he will like the distance
He is not running in the Belmont.
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Belmont Stakes probable starters:

Animal Kingdom Graham Motion 2nd - Preakness (J. Velazquez)
Brilliant Speed Tom Albertrani 7th - Ky. Derby (J. Rosario)
Isn’t He Perfect Doodnauth Shivmangal 9th - Preakness
Master of Hounds Aidan O'Brien 5th - Ky. Derby (G. Gomez)
Monzon Ignacio Correas IV 6th - Peter Pan
Mucho Macho Man Kathy Ritvo 6th - Preakness (R. Dominguez)
Nehro Steve Asmussen 2nd - Ky. Derby
Prime Cut Neil Howard - Peter Pan (E. Prado)
Ruler On Ice Kelly Breen 2nd - Federico Tesio
Santiva Eddie Kenneally 6th - Ky. Derby
Shackleford Dale Romans 1st - Preakness (J. Castanon)
Stay Thirsty Todd Pletcher 12th - Ky. Derby

Possibles:

Harlan’s Hello Doodnauth Shivmangal 1st - Op. claiming
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Belmont Stakes probable starters:

Prime Cut Neil Howard - Peter Pan (E. Prado)
Given a green light Saturday..
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