Zenyatta

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You could argue Lookin at Lucky consistently runs Beyers in the 102-105 range and Fly Down ran a 105 on his best day. Blame ran a 111 Beyer two races back. So you could certainly make the argument that Blame and Zenyatta ran Beyers in the 110 range today.

By the way, there wasn't exactly a suicide pace in this race. They went the half in :47. It was a solid pace but it wasn't suicidal by any means.

1:11.01 is a fast pace. The race completely collapsed. The top three were 7th, 12th and 10th at the 6F mark.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You could argue Lookin at Lucky consistently runs Beyers in the 102-105 range and Fly Down ran a 105 on his best day. Blame ran a 111 Beyer two races back. So you could certainly make the argument that Blame and Zenyatta ran Beyers in the 110 range today.

That would give Uncle Mo a 107...

I'd have Blame/Zenyatta 108 - Uncle Mo 105

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You could argue Lookin at Lucky consistently runs Beyers in the 102-105 range and Fly Down ran a 105 on his best day. Blame ran a 111 Beyer two races back. So you could certainly make the argument that Blame and Zenyatta ran Beyers in the 110 range today.

By the way, there wasn't exactly a suicide pace in this race. They went the half in :47. It was a solid pace but it wasn't suicidal by any means.

The pace was SUICIDAL...It was totally brutal.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think the time of the race is very misleading because every day at Churchill the track slows down over the course of the day. I don't know if it was like that in past years but I've noticed that consistently this year.

You can't seriously believe this, right?

How do you explain the Chilukki (3rd race, 1:30 PM) vs the Dirt Mile (9th race, 5:30 PM), then? Both were run with an honest but reasonable pace, with horses who attended the pace and closers both hitting the board. The projected spread between the races would be about 15 Beyer points, and it ended up being 1.38 seconds... or 14 Beyer points. By your logic, it should have been ~2.5 seconds or 25-30 points. Not really believable.

Newsflash: Trainers make up a lot of bullsh!t.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by philcski

You can't seriously believe this, right?

How do you explain the Chilukki (3rd race, 1:30 PM) vs the Dirt Mile (9th race, 5:30 PM), then? Both were run with an honest but reasonable pace, with horses who attended the pace and closers both hitting the board. The projected spread between the races would be about 15 Beyer points, and it ended up being 1.38 seconds... or 14 Beyer points. By your logic, it should have been ~2.5 seconds or 25-30 points. Not really believable.

Newsflash: Trainers make up a lot of bullsh!t.

With equal fractions, you are probably right. But considering they went the half in :44 4/5 in the dirt mile and they went only went :46 2/5 in the other race, there should have been a much bigger difference in the final time had the track been just as fast later in the day. Do you think the dirt mile would have still gone in 1:35 1/5 if they would have gone the half in :46 2/5? There is no way in hell.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

With equal fractions, you are probably right. But considering they went the half in :44 4/5 in the dirt mile and they went only went :46 2/5 in the other race, there should have been a much bigger difference in the final time had the track been just as fast later in the day. Do you think the dirt mile would have still gone in 1:35 1/5 if they would have gone the half in :46 2/5? There is no way in hell.

But the early fractions are the difference in the quality of the horses running.

Looking at the pace comparison between the races, they probably should have been :45 2/5 versus :46 2/5. If they go :45 2/5 in the DM, they still run 1:35 1/5 (and there's a different winner of the race). If they go :46 2/5, it's highly unlikely they go 1:35 1/5, but then again these are G1 males versus G3 females. They are supposed to be running better early fractions.

[CSC]

A very exciting race, Blame looked like he walks to victory but Zenyatta makes a race out of it when she looked like she was totally out of it, she will get more respect out of finishing second than winning the race.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by CSC

A very exciting race, Blame looked like he walks to victory but Zenyatta makes a race out of it when she looked like she was totally out of it, she will get more respect out of finishing second than winning the race.

Ummm....huh?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Ummm....huh?

You don't think she ran a great race? From where she came from and the trip of the winner, I think even the critics can admit she did.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by CSC

You don't think she ran a great race?

Of course I do, which I already said in this thread.
That still doesn't mean that the portion of your previous post which I highlighted makes any sense whatsoever.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Of course I do, which I already said in this thread.
That still doesn't mean that the portion of your previous post which I highlighted makes any sense whatsoever.

Sometimes a loss in defeat when you take into account race dynamics is just as impressive, look at Seattle Slew's loss to Exceller, that race did more for him than any in his career.

Originally Posted by CSC

Sometimes a loss in defeat when you take into account race dynamics is just as impressive, look at Seattle Slew's loss to Exceller, that race did more for him than any in his career.

Oh my god.

[santana]

There is no doubt she ran a great race....better than i thought she would. Glad she lost though, the better than Big Red comparisons were getting old.....

[Slewbopper]

There is a reason I don't post here often.....This board is into nothng positive in horse racing. Cutting down a great mare and gloating when she loses is the rule of the road here.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

There is a reason I don't post here often.....This board is into nothng positive in horse racing. Cutting down a great mare and gloating when she loses is the rule of the road here.

Perhaps you should try Thoroughbred Champions... Lots of her fans over there...

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Arletta

Perhaps you should try Thoroughbred Champions... Lots of her fans over there...

I prefer the wimmin over there to the a$$holes here. Most of them have a soul.

[trackrat59]

If we continue on like this the Z threads will never die.

Let's do this. Let's decide who she should be bred to. First of all, who is tall enough to, you know, mount her?

For no other reason than he's my favorite sire, I vote for Tiznow. The horsey in my pic is Tizzy boy.

Ok, someone guess next who Mr. Z will be.

[DerbyCat]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

If we continue on like this the Z threads will never die.

Let's do this. Let's decide who she should be bred to. First of all, who is tall enough to, you know, mount her?

For no other reason than he's my favorite sire, I vote for Tiznow. The horsey in my pic is Tizzy boy.

Ok, someone guess next who Mr. Z will be.

If we wait a year she can be bred to Blame, he should have "done enough" by this time next year, right?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

A very exciting race, Blame looked like he walks to victory but Zenyatta makes a race out of it when she looked like she was totally out of it, she will get more respect out of finishing second than winning the race.

the funny thing is, her ardent and airheaded fans who know nothing about racing will be incredibly disappointed, while anyone who knows anything about racing will say that was her best effort ever. yes, she lost. but she showed more today against the best field she's ever faced than against those soon forgotten cupcakes in cali.

it also shows glaringly just how much her chickenhearted connections have cost her. she should have been racing like today all year, instead of racing in paid glorified workouts.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the funny thing is, her ardent and airheaded fans who know nothing about racing will be incredibly disappointed, while anyone who knows anything about racing will say that was her best effort ever. yes, she lost. but she showed more today against the best field she's ever faced than against those soon forgotten cupcakes in cali.

it also shows glaringly just how much her chickenhearted connections have cost her. she should have been racing like today all year, instead of racing in paid glorified workouts.

I'm hardly dissapointed, I thought she ran great, answered if she could run well on dirt, with less than an ideal trip. No excuses she lost, but she ran great and hats off to her. Case closed.