The 3yo's are finally starting to look less horrible

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Exactly. Not like these types of analyses come even remotely close to approximately TRUE ability measuring tools; like BEYERS, for example.

Yeah - being able to understand both the value of race to race circumstances and final time figures is pretty important. Not that you still don't have countless other factors that are sometimes more important than both and sometimes not important at all.

I only type so much about Beyers because they work brilliantly comparing horses many years apart, because the scale is consistant over time, and because I make my own figs on their scale.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I thought Sidney's Candy looked great today crushing a moderate field in the San Vincente. A 4+ length margin of victory - and gaps of more than a length between each horse in the field from first to last place are things very rarely seen in synthetic races - so that's a great sign as well.

The obvious question now is how far will he go and how well will he run on dirt?

I think he projects pretty well for both. His sire Candy Ride put on a spectacular display when mopping the floor with a razor sharp Medaglia D' Oro at 10fs in the Pacific Classic. His 2nd dam Exchange won a Grade 1 at 10fs and a Grade 2 at 12fs - and ran very good 2nd's to top mares like Paseanna and Hollywood Wildcat on dirt.

The entire crew on the HRTV telecast of the San Vincente were positive that Sidney's Candy would love to route, citing Candy Ride and his race record as evidence.

While praising the sire, they noted he sired 2 grade 1 winners last year in Evita Argentina and Captain Candyman Can.

Interestingly enough, both won their Grade 1s (and did their best work) at 7f.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He's very balanced.

His offspring win at 18.4% and are ITM at 50.0% in routes. They win at 19.0% and are ITM at 46% in sprints.

They win at 16% turf, 18% synthetic, and 20% dirt

[SCUDSBROTHER]

S.C. came in 4th (in a 5 horse field) at odds of 3/5 going 6f. That's a very highly regarded horse. It's disappointing. The trainer needs redemption for him, and the horse. No failure allowed this time. No, it's time to perform. You must perform this time. NOW!! is the time you find out what the trainer thinks is the best distance for his horse. He has to run well. So, we can go over his pedigree etc. all we want, but Sadler n' Benevidez just gave you the answer last Monday. It was a 1-turn 7f stakes race. They didn't opt for a 2 turn allowance race. Nope, they decided they had the best chance to get back on the scoreboard going 7f against a horse (Tiny Woods) that just beat them in a sprint. That is telling me, when they felt the most pressure, they preferred their chances 1 turning. These guys know how far their horses want to run. Yea, they hope they're wrong, but they usually aren't. He's won this race 3 out of the last 4 years (S Candy, Nobles Promise, Evita Argentina.) Georgie Boy, Too Much Bling, Imperialism, F Rock Star etc. have won this race. This race is primarily for 3 year old horses that eventually prove to be best going 7f-8f. It's been 13 years since a 10f horse won it. Trainers act in certain ways, and he is so acting like he's got a 7f-8f horse. Maybe he'll get 9f on a good day (alone up front.) He's not gunna get 10f. Just saying that the San Pedro n' San Vicente are probably not the place to go looking for a 10f horse. If you're looking there, then you're fishing awfully hard.

[Gaining Ground]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

S.C. came in 4th (in a 5 horse field) at odds of 3/5 going 6f. That's a very highly regarded horse. It's disappointing. The trainer needs redemption for him, and the horse. No failure allowed this time. No, it's time to perform. You must perform this time. NOW!! is the time you find out what the trainer thinks is the best distance for his horse. He has to run well. So, we can go over his pedigree etc. all we want, but Sadler n' Benevidez just gave you the answer last Monday. It was a 1-turn 7f stakes race. They didn't opt for a 2 turn allowance race. Nope, they decided they had the best chance to get back on the scoreboard going 7f against a horse (Tiny Woods) that just beat them in a sprint. That is telling me, when they felt the most pressure, they preferred their chances 1 turning. These guys know how far their horses want to run. Yea, they hope they're wrong, but they usually aren't. He's won this race 3 out of the last 4 years (S Candy, Nobles Promise, Evita Argentina.) Georgie Boy, Too Much Bling, Imperialism, F Rock Star etc. have won this race. This race is primarily for 3 year old horses that eventually prove to be best going 7f-8f. It's been 13 years since a 10f horse won it. Trainers act in certain ways, and he is so acting like he's got a 7f-8f horse. Maybe he'll get 9f on a good day (alone up front.) He's not gunna get 10f. Just saying that the San Pedro n' San Vicente are probably not the place to go looking for a 10f horse. If you're looking there, then you're fishing awfully hard.

silver charm also won the san vicente. couldnt it also be that they were looking to get some graded earnings with him? if they are planning on the derby they need to get them and winning an allowance race doesnt get it done.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gaining Ground

silver charm also won the san Vicente. couldn't it also be that they were looking to get some graded earnings with him? if they are planning on the derby they need to get them and winning an allowance race doesn't get it done.

Silver Charm was coming off a 5 month layoff (when he won the 7f San Vicente.) It wasn't the target. It was a prep. S Candy came off a layoff, and prepped in a sprint(poor effort.) Then he sprinted again. This wasn't a prep. This was put up, or shut up. I think they put him in a race of that 7f distance because they thought he preferred it. If they thought he preferred 2 turning, I think they'd of done it. They could not run poorly again. They chose their least point of resistance, and it was one turning against a horse they just lost to. To do that, I really think they trust him sprinting, and def. ain't sure about him 2 turning. If this was his 1st race off the layoff, then I'd be a lot more hopeful about him being a 10f horse. I think they went right to the animal's comfort zone.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

S.C. came in 4th (in a 5 horse field) at odds of 3/5 going 6f. That's a very highly regarded horse. It's disappointing. The trainer needs redemption for him, and the horse. No failure allowed this time. No, it's time to perform. You must perform this time. NOW!! is the time you find out what the trainer thinks is the best distance for his horse. He has to run well. So, we can go over his pedigree etc. all we want, but Sadler n' Benevidez just gave you the answer last Monday. It was a 1-turn 7f stakes race. They didn't opt for a 2 turn allowance race. Nope, they decided they had the best chance to get back on the scoreboard going 7f against a horse (Tiny Woods) that just beat them in a sprint. That is telling me, when they felt the most pressure, they preferred their chances 1 turning. These guys know how far their horses want to run. Yea, they hope they're wrong, but they usually aren't. He's won this race 3 out of the last 4 years (S Candy, Nobles Promise, Evita Argentina.) Georgie Boy, Too Much Bling, Imperialism, F Rock Star etc. have won this race. This race is primarily for 3 year old horses that eventually prove to be best going 7f-8f. It's been 13 years since a 10f horse won it. Trainers act in certain ways, and he is so acting like he's got a 7f-8f horse. Maybe he'll get 9f on a good day (alone up front.) He's not gunna get 10f. Just saying that the San Pedro n' San Vicente are probably not the place to go looking for a 10f horse. If you're looking there, then you're fishing awfully hard.

Trying to read one of your run-on posts is like trying to watch a race run over poly at Del Mar. The content of the post (or quality of the field) doesn't matter as the eyes start to bleed from the strain of reading your post (or watching the race).

Have you ever heard

of

a freaking paragraph?

You give the West Covina Unified School District a bad name, and I really didn't think that was possible, as I thought they had cornered that market all for themselves.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Trying to read one of your run-on posts is like trying to watch a...

Then, don't read it. Amazing how you're so into form n' aesthetics, but your face looks like a land mine took part in it.