Hall of Fame? Yes or No - Page 2

horseofcourse · #1 10-23-2009, 04:29 PM

The only definite for me is Smoltz.

I would highly consider Ichiro, Guerrero, and Hoffman.

Helton is tough but no...once the humidor went into Coors his numbers plummeted.
Jones may be close as well.

The rest...no.

Abreu is a very underrated offensive player but certainly not a HOF'er.

SCUDSBROTHER · #2 10-23-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Assuming they finish as expected.

Ichiro- NO-ENOUGH WITH THE FKN PUNCHIN' JUDY TYPES

Vlad Guerrero-NO

Jim Thome-NO

John Smoltz-YES

Johnny Damon-NO

Trevor Hoffman-YES

Todd Helton-D.Q.-Took enhancement

Chipper Jones-YES

Bobby Abreu-NO

Gary Sheffield-D.Q.-Took enhancement

Miguel Tejada-D.Q.-Took enhancement

Andy Pettite-D.Q.-Took enhancement

^^^

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 10-23-2009, 01:43 PM

I don't watch any baseball hardly ever - but wasn't Guerrero like a freak in Montreal?

SCUDSBROTHER · #4 10-23-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't watch any baseball hardly ever - but wasn't Guerrero like a freak in Montreal?

Injuries ruined his chances. He didn't hit much at all in the 2005 post. So, fk him. No real effort to get a ring, either. Too ugly for photos, too. No plate discipline (which would easily of gotten one of his teams a ring.)

Gander · #5 10-23-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Injuries ruined his chances. He didn't hit much at all in the 2005 post. So, fk him. No real effort to get a ring, either. Too ugly for photos, too. No plate discipline (which would easily of gotten one of his teams a ring.)

He still has time. Cant blame me for hoping. Stranger things have happened.

2Hot4TV · #6 10-23-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander

He still has time. Cant blame me for hoping. Stranger things have happened.

Times run out. His swing looks like he should of retired last year.

SCUDSBROTHER · #7 10-23-2009, 01:56 PM

Jones ever been caught enhancing?

randallscott35 · #8 10-23-2009, 01:59 PM

Ichiro the only one on there I would vote for.

GBBob · #9 10-23-2009, 02:00 PM

Thome should and will make it. A shame he had no ring, but with those numbers, longevity, no 'roids and his great character..he'll be there

Gander · #10 10-23-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Jones ever been caught enhancing?

I dont think so, just excessive chewing tobacco use which is almost as common as steroids but not quite.

Cannon Shell · #11 10-23-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Injuries ruined his chances. He didn't hit much at all in the 2005 post. So, fk him. No real effort to get a ring, either. Too ugly for photos, too. No plate discipline (which would easily of gotten one of his teams a ring.)

Sometimes you say some intersting things but sometimes you are so far off base its like you just came back from the methadone clinic.

No effort to get a ring? No plate discipline? Over Guerrero's career he averaged 76 K's a year (which is a very small amount for a power hitter) in an average of 685 plate appearances. He also averaged 197 hits over that same time.

His lifetime batting average is .321. His .568 slg % is 14th all-time. He has 7 silver slugger awards (other OF with 7 or more, Bonds, Ramirez, Gwynn, and Griffey). He has an MVP award and 4 other top 6 finishes. He is 5th alltime in intentional walks, leading the league 5 times. He has 407 HR's. He has 2250 hits. He has led the league in hits, runs and total bases.

All this in 13 seasons.

Baseball reference has a breakdown of stats called a similarity score adjusted by year, era, etc. Guerrero's most similar hitters by year? Willie Mays, Manny Ramirez and Duke Snider.

Yeah I think the results of three games in 2005 should trump that.

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 10-23-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sometimes you say some intersting things but sometimes you are so far off base its like you just came back from the methadone clinic.

No effort to get a ring? No plate discipline? Over Guerrero's career he averaged 76 K's a year (which is a very small amount for a power hitter) in an average of 685 plate appearances. He also averaged 197 hits over that same time.

His lifetime batting average is .321. His .568 slg % is 14th all-time. He has 7 silver slugger awards (other OF with 7 or more, Bonds, Ramirez, Gwynn, and Griffey). He has an MVP award and 4 other top 6 finishes. He is 5th alltime in intentional walks, leading the league 5 times. He has 407 HR's. He has 2250 hits. He has led the league in hits, runs and total bases.

All this in 13 seasons.

Baseball reference has a breakdown of stats called a similarity score adjusted by year, era, etc. Guerrero's most similar hitters by year? Willie Mays, Manny Ramirez and Duke Snider.

Yeah I think the results of three games in 2005 should trump that.

During 10 games of the 2005 post, he hit .184, and had just 1 rbi. The Halos had a shot to beat the Chisox that year, but this guy came up totally useless. He has had a decent post this year. He has 2 doubles. That gives your HOFamer a grand total of 3 post season doubles in his career. He has had a home run this post season. That now gives him a grand total of 2 post season home runs. Even with a nice post season in 2009, the guy has a total of 5 career post season extra-base hits. Sorry, but I am more scoreboard than you. They got him to help them get a ring. What did he do for them in the post of 2004, 2005, 2007, and 2008? He got 2 extra base hits in 75 post season at bats. No, I wouldn't vote for him, but I can see where fantasy playing types would. If he had retired at the end of last year, would you have voted for him to go into the HOF with 2 extra base hits in 75 post season at bats? Just wondering. He's incredibly talented, but he's just about as stupid as they come. If he would have made any effort at all to stop swinging at pitchers pitches (out of the zone,) then he would of been incredible. This is a player that you respect less the more you watch him. I have seen plenty of this guy. I told ya I saw almost every Halo game in the 2nd half in 2006. He swings at sht, and grounds out n' pops up. That's probably why this individual hit .262 with men in scoring position this year. He's has the opposite of the Phil's plate game plan. To be honest, he has the talent to hit .362 with men in scoring position. All that swinging at sht adds up. Yea, he may not strike out that much, but he grounds out/pops out on pitcher's pitches (a lot.) You think I just randomly don't like the guy? That is reserved for Ichiro. I plead guilty of bias against that dude. He bores me to dozing. Really, when that guy gets on base, I'm like "how did Ichiro get on? I missed it." At least Ichiro is a good defensive player. Guerrero was horrible on D.

ateamstupid · #13 10-23-2009, 01:59 PM

Ichiro Yes

Vlad Guerrero Yes

Jim Thome Yes

John Smoltz No

Johnny Damon No

Trevor Hoffman Yes

Todd Helton No (I think he SHOULD get in)

Chipper Jones Yes

Bobby Abreu No

Gary Sheffield Yes (eventually)

Miguel Tejada No

Andy Pettite No

Cannon Shell · #14 10-23-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Ichiro Yes

Vlad Guerrero Yes

Jim Thome Yes

John Smoltz No

Johnny Damon No

Trevor Hoffman Yes

Todd Helton No (I think he SHOULD get in)

Chipper Jones Yes

Bobby Abreu No

Gary Sheffield Yes (eventually)

Miguel Tejada No

Andy Pettite No

Your opinion, not who you think will make it. Guess i should have made it clear.

King Glorious · #15 10-23-2009, 02:09 PM

Ichiro and Guerrero are the only two I'd vote in.

One reason why it's hard to judge by number of times they won an MVP or finished high in the voting is 1999.

Jones
45-110 .319 avg, .441 obp, .633 slg, 359 total bases, 41 doubles, 116 runs, 181 hits

Guerrero
42-131 .316 avg, .378 obp, .600 slg, 366 total bases, 37 doubles, 102 runs, 193 hits

Jones won the MVP. Guerrero finished 11th.

Cannon Shell · #16 10-23-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Ichiro and Guerrero are the only two I'd vote in.

One reason why it's hard to judge by number of times they won an MVP or finished high in the voting is 1999.

Jones
45-110 .319 avg, .441 obp, .633 slg, 359 total bases, 41 doubles, 116 runs, 181 hits

Guerrero
42-131 .316 avg, .378 obp, .600 slg, 366 total bases, 37 doubles, 102 runs, 193 hits

Jones won the MVP. Guerrero finished 11th.

If Guerrero played for the Braves he would have won three or 4 MVP's

tigerfan · #17 10-23-2009, 02:37 PM

I listed the players IMO from most likely to least likely with a line in between HOFers and non-HOFers.

Ichiro
Vlad Guerrero
John Smoltz
Trevor Hoffman
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Todd Helton
Jim Thome
Chipper Jones
Bobby Abreu
Gary Sheffield
Johnny Damon
Miguel Tejada
Andy Pettite

zippyneedsawin · #18 10-23-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Assuming they finish as expected.

Ichiro -yes

Vlad Guerrero- yes

Jim Thome=no

John Smoltz-yes

Johnny Damon=no

Trevor Hoffman-yes

Todd Helton-no

Chipper Jones-no

Bobby Abreu-no

Gary Sheffield-no

Miguel Tejada-no

Andy Pettite-no

Guerrero is iffy.

GBBob · #19 10-23-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Guerrero is iffy.

No offense, but have you read through this thread?

RockHardTen1985 · #20 10-23-2009, 03:29 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell]Assuming they finish as expected.

Ichiro YES

Vlad Guerrero YES

Jim Thome NO

John Smoltz NO

Johnny Damon NO

Trevor Hoffman NO

Todd Helton NO

Chipper Jones NO

Bobby Abreu LOLOL

Gary Sheffield NO

Miguel Tejada NO

Andy Pettite YES