Rachel ran a good race, but...

[CSC]

A more prudent question would be is she just that much better at Churchill Downs than at other tracks? Borel has said as much, she just skips over that track where there are some simliarities to Street Sense, where he was lesser at other tracks. Unless she learns to run slower in the early part of her races, she will have trouble getting 1 1/2 if she indeed runs in the Belmont.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

A more prudent question would be is she just that much better at Churchill Downs than at other tracks? Borel has said as much, she just skips over that track where there are some simliarities to Street Sense, where he was lesser at other tracks.

???

She ran the same figure at Pimlico that she ran in the Oaks..

And I'm pretty sure Street Sense ran just fine at Pimlico and Saratoga..

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

???

She ran the same figure at PIM that she ran in the Oaks..

I knew that was coming...numbers aside she was arguably a different horse at CD.

[ateamstupid]

It's one thing to say MTB would beat RA at Belmont. But saying he'd be favored over her is batshit insane. With all the press that RA is getting and Borel's yapping and the big purchase price and the win over the boys, she may never not be the favorite again. If she goes to the Belmont she'll be 3/5 at the highest. I'll be betting against her with both fists.

[boswd]

Nothing against RA, she did run a great race and did what she had to do, MTB wins the Belmont for fun, he had to come out 4 wide and came charging, did not have a clean trip. This horse is the real deal.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by boswd

Nothing against RA, she did run a great race and did what she had to do, MTB wins the Belmont for fun, he had to come out 4 wide and came charging, did not have a clean trip. This horse is the real deal.

Yeah and so was Big Brown last year. Bottom line is that this is going to be 3 races in 5 weeks for MTB. Don't discount the fact that there might be a fresher horse that gets the jump on MTB.

Pioneer of the Nile is not as bad as he was in the Preakness,
or as good (2nd place) as he was in the Derby. If all the figures
that people worship are correct, he ran as expected in the Derby
(expectations in sludge be damned) and way off at Pimlico.

People dont honestly believe the horse is 26 lengths worse
than Mine That Bird. Thats ridiculous.

Back to synth.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Back to synth.

I don't know if it was that cut and dry. Pioneerof The Nile ran like a horse that may not be heard from again for a while.

[nebrady]

I believe that RA ran the better race. She ran a half in 46! I'm glad to see that MTB ran a great race too. Who knows who wins if he has a better trip. Now fat man as for being stupid too bet on FF in derby and saying a person shouldn't be playing if they did is ridiculous! FF never had a chance to run in the derby so who knows how he would have done. Bet you would have thought someone was stupid if they had bet on MTB on derby day!

Now blackthroat you saying that PTN didn't run on derby day is ridiculous too. He ran second in the derby! If not for a great performance by MTB he wins the derby in a close finish. Yes he didn'rt run great in the preakness, but hes never raced after having only 2 weeks off! Give the horse some love. As for the owner please just keep quiet and let the horses do the talking!

It amazes me that people on this site love to bash a horse if it runs bad in a big race. Give the horses some credit they made it into the triple crown races. Not many can say that! I'm looking forward to the rest of they year with horses like MTB, RA and even PTN and QR and IWR just to name a few. So enjoy and quit being so negative!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by nebrady

I believe that RA ran the better race. She ran a half in 46! I'm glad to see that MTB ran a great race too. Who knows who wins if he has a better trip. Now fat man as for being stupid too bet on FF in derby and saying a person shouldn't be playing if they did is ridiculous! FF never had a chance to run in the derby so who knows how he would have done. Bet you would have thought someone was stupid if they had bet on MTB on derby day!

Now blackthroat you saying that PTN didn't run on derby day is ridiculous too. He ran second in the derby! If not for a great performance by MTB he wins the derby in a close finish. Yes he didn'rt run great in the preakness, but hes never raced after having only 2 weeks off! Give the horse some love. As for the owner please just keep quiet and let the horses do the talking!

It amazes me that people on this site love to bash a horse if it runs bad in a big race. Give the horses some credit they made it into the triple crown races. Not many can say that! I'm looking forward to the rest of they year with horses like MTB, RA and even PTN and QR and IWR just to name a few. So enjoy and quit being so negative!

Do you like tomatoes?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by nebrady

I believe that RA ran the better race. She ran a half in 46! I'm glad to see that MTB ran a great race too. Who knows who wins if he has a better trip. Now fat man as for being stupid too bet on FF in derby and saying a person shouldn't be playing if they did is ridiculous! FF never had a chance to run in the derby so who knows how he would have done. Bet you would have thought someone was stupid if they had bet on MTB on derby day!

Now blackthroat you saying that PTN didn't run on derby day is ridiculous too. He ran second in the derby! If not for a great performance by MTB he wins the derby in a close finish. Yes he didn'rt run great in the preakness, but hes never raced after having only 2 weeks off! Give the horse some love. As for the owner please just keep quiet and let the horses do the talking!

It amazes me that people on this site love to bash a horse if it runs bad in a big race. Give the horses some credit they made it into the triple crown races. Not many can say that! I'm looking forward to the rest of they year with horses like MTB, RA and even PTN and QR and IWR just to name a few. So enjoy and quit being so negative!

in most years, that almost seven length gap from mine that bird to pioneer would have had the latter finishing in about 7th-9th place. when you consider the time of the winner, vs those so far back, it's not exactly flattering to the 2nd-4th horses. POTN did run second, but he didn't run well.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Danzig

in most years, that almost seven length gap from mine that bird to pioneer would have had the latter finishing in about 7th-9th place. when you consider the time of the winner, vs those so far back, it's not exactly flattering to the 2nd-4th horses. POTN did run second, but he didn't run well.

I would not accuse Andy of being vauge or ambiguous, but the above says it all -- clear, concise and to the point.

Eric

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You're right: let's celebrate those that make it to the Triple Crown races!

All hail Advice!

As you know, from about February 1st through June 15th, people lose their mind on the internet

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Scav

As you know, from about January 1st through December 31st, people lose their mind on the internet

FTFY.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by Scav

As you know, from about February 1st through June 15th, people lose their mind on the internet

Its year 'round here on this site.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I forgot: Cheers to Luv Gov!

Cheers to Terrian!!!

(I shouldn't be saying that because I liked the horse, as our favorite friend will say, and ridicule me for)

BTW, Advice CLINCHED the DT Championship for none other, so he is ok in book


-DT Champion