3/29 (GP): 57th Florida Derby (Gr. I)

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why is Affirmed, Seattle Slew, and a few of the others making a comeback for the race? Not like there are any world beaters in the race OR a large field. So, WHO CARES where he breaks from.

Unless Big Brown is the 2nd coming of Barbaro, he has no chance from that post.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

Unless Big Brown is the 2nd coming of Barbaro, he has no chance from that post.

Who exactly did Barbaro beat in that race? Those BEHIND him had distinguished careers.

I haven't looked the field over but I can't believe there's much in it. If BB is any kind of horse, and I'm not talking about a ***** NEED EVERYTHING ITS OWN WAY TYPE, like War Pass, then he sits comfortably outside and rolls.

As for all the rest of the concern: BB won't be a price. Why in the world would I be gearing up to bet this horse when there's so much OTHER VALUE, in OTHER races out there.

You guys take your STAR ENVY (or STAR wanna be envy) very seriously here.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why is Affirmed, Seattle Slew, and a few of the others making a comeback for the race? Not like there are any world beaters in the race OR a large field. So, WHO CARES where he breaks from.

its pretty much a death sentence if you ask me for a horse making its 2 turn debut. He'll need to be a monster to get it done from out there. the data for nine furlongs at the new Gulfstream makes it clear that its one of the extreme cases when post position really does count in a big way.
maybe he'll be the first to do it, that would be impressive.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

its pretty much a death sentence if you ask me for a horse making its 2 turn debut. He'll need to be a monster to get it done from out there. the data for nine furlongs at the new Gulfstream makes it clear that its one of the extreme cases when post position really does count in a big way.
maybe he'll be the first to do it, that would be impressive.

Give me data that's MEANINGFUL, Jim.

Give me information on horses with LEGITIMATE SHOTS that broke from the outside. How many could there have possibly been in the past 20 years, let alone since they REDID the track?

[Bobby Fischer]

I think its good. Come on, if brown is what he looks like, then we don't want the public to switch over.
he wins by 2 instead of 9 , and by and large the public doesn't want a story about overcoming track dynamics.
The sheets or graphs or beyers write 1 article, big deal. If he wins here, then pray that Pyro and War Pass win their preps.

[northeastbound123]

does anyone have or know where i can find the entries

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Considering posts 11 and 12 have NEVER won going 9 furlongs on the dirt since they renovated the track I'd imagine people would care. I also imagine anyone planning on playing Big Brown or against Big Brown care. And I'm almost positive his connections care. But yeah, other than that, who cares where he breaks from. Maybe they can set up a gate in the stands and he can break from there. Would you care then?

Big Brown fans better hope for some scratches in the race. Anyone outside post 9 is going to have to run the race of their life to win in a competitive field like this.

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by Kasept

FLORIDA DERBY

1. Fierce Wind (Zito/Velasquez)
2. Smooth Air (Stutts/Cruz)
3. Da'Tara (Zito/Bravo)
4. Tomcito (Zanelli/Chavez)
5. Cool Gator (Vella/Castro)
6. Nistle's Crunch (McPeek/Leparouz)
7. B B Frank (Tarrant/Castellano)
8. Elysium Fields (Tagg/Coa)
9. Hey Byrn (Plesa/Lezcano)
10. Majestic Warrior (Mott/Douglas)
11. Face the Cat (Pletcher/Velasquez)
12. Big Brown (Cutrow/Desormeaux)

Chavez has a shot.

[justindew]

Wow!

[fpsoxfan]

The Derby Favorite

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

The Derby Favorite

Can hardly wait for the Big Brown vs. War Pass match up

You can your Big Browns of the world.....will be the biggest bust since Arazi in '92.....mark my words!

[Oaklawnfan]

Just for a minute lets pretend that horses can bounce. That doesn't mean that Big Brown couldn't win the Roses, but I think it's a little early to drink the Kool Aid.

Not that I upset I didn't bet him.