Circular Quay

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ah the doubter returns!!! Yeah you are right, you would never wanna own one like that. Absolutely no talent at all.

He won't even be a top 5 3yr old in that barn. He is not fast and everyone knows it. Typical Bashford Manor mediocrity. TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING. How difficult is that for you to understand. It means they grew a little quicker, nothing else. This one isn't even fast.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

He won't even be a top 5 3yr old in that barn. He is not fast and everyone knows it. Typical Bashford Manor mediocrity. TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING. How difficult is that for you to understand. It means they grew a little quicker, nothing else. This one isn't even fast.

Umm, ok, whatever you say.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

He won't even be a top 5 3yr old in that barn. He is not fast and everyone knows it. Typical Bashford Manor mediocrity. TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING. How difficult is that for you to understand. It means they grew a little quicker, nothing else. This one isn't even fast.

Yeah he might not be a top 5yr old three years from now either. WHO CARES!
Nobody talked about how this horse would do next spring. You sound like those of us who are excited about the horse predicted he would win the Derby and the BC Classic next year. Nobody did! We are smart enough to know that it is impossible to predict who will be good 3yo the previous July. This horse looks like a very good 2yo to me (and others). If he stays healthy I like his chances in some of the bigger 2yo races this fall. That is what I said to begin this thread, and I still think that. If you disagree with that, fine. But please don't make it seem like we were saying he was lock to win the Derby or anything like that. ArlJim is right. YOU were the one to bring up how good he would be as a 3yo.

[miraja2]

"TWO YEAR OLD RACING AT THIS TIME OF YEAR MEANS NOTHING."

I don't understand it when people say things like this.
I guess they mean it doesn't help you predict who will win the TC races 10 months from now.....which is obvioulsy true. But I mean, come on, they still mean something. It was still a stakes race. They do give out an eclipse award for 2yo and I would think graded stakes wins probably are a factor in determining that.
If all you care about is the TC races then I suppose you are correct, they don't mean anything. I enjoy watching 2yo racing for its own sake, and NOT because I may be watching a horse that might possibly compete in the Kentucky Derby.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Circular Quay is not a fast horse. Nothing special there other than that he was ready earlier. If you think this horse is special and has a big future based on 2 slow races in the spring of the 2yr old season you know nothing about horses. Most of the big names you will hear next spring have not even raced yet. Everyone knows that. These early races like the Bashford every year get people talking about how great they are and they almost always flame out. If early races mean anything I guess those AP Indys should just pack it in.

Yeah, they should be embarrased to even accept the trophy for such a meaningless race.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Yeah, they should be embarrased to even accept the trophy for such a meaningless race.

Oracle is the one calling him great in this thread. He used the word great which is comical. Guys like Tabor aren't in it to win the Bashford Manor they are in it to win the derby and this horse and all horses that win the BM are not derby winners.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Oracle is the one calling him great in this thread. He used the word great which is comical. Guys like Tabor aren't in it to win the Bashford Manor they are in it to win the derby and this horse and all horses that win the BM are not derby winners.

Yes I've read all the comments on the thread and NO ONE, repeat NO ONE, tried to build this horse up to be the derby winner. You're using a strawman.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Oracle is the one calling him great in this thread. He used the word great which is comical. Guys like Tabor aren't in it to win the Bashford Manor they are in it to win the derby and this horse and all horses that win the BM are not derby winners.

Guys like Tabor flew in to watch this race yesterday, it may be insignificant, but the guy has top quality horses all over, I found it interesting he flew in to see the race in person....