Circular Quay

[lemoncrush]

I was in awe of this horse today.
Reminded me of Afleet Alex. Instant push-button acceleration. What a move down the stretch. No other 2-yo can make that kind of move at this stage.
I just hope that handle this horse very carefully and keep him healthy.
Right now, he's your favorite for the BC juvenile at Churchill.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I was in awe of this horse today.
Reminded me of Afleet Alex. Instant push-button acceleration. What a move down the stretch. No other 2-yo can make that kind of move at this stage.
I just hope that handle this horse very carefully and keep him healthy.
Right now, he's your favorite for the BC juvenile at Churchill.

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

At this time there is no way that anybody could be sure of that.
When Scat Daddy does it then we can believe it.
Not many horses have had initial performances as impressive as this guy has.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Scat Daddy can do anything this horse can do and more.

Of course it is always tough to tell with a 2yo so who knows, you may be right. I think one of the reasons that Circular Quay is more interesting to me than Scat Daddy is the pedigree. He is by Thunder Gulch and out of a G1 winning mare, while Scat Daddy is by an unproven (although potentially very good) sire, and out of an unraced mare.
We all know that pedigree isn't everything, but when a Thunder Gulch colt turns in amazing performances like these at 6f and below over the very track which will host the BC Juvenile....I get excited.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Of course it is always tough to tell with a 2yo so who knows, you may be right. I think one of the reasons that Circular Quay is more interesting to me than Scat Daddy is the pedigree. He is by Thunder Gulch and out of a G1 winning mare, while Scat Daddy is by an unproven (although potentially very good) sire, and out of an unraced mare.
We all know that pedigree isn't everything, but when a Thunder Gulch colt turns in amazing performances like these at 6f and below over the very track which will host the BC Juvenile....I get excited.

It is too early to talk about these young horses as future greats. Barbaro didn't even hit the track until October.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

It is too early to talk about these young horses as future greats. Barbaro didn't even hit the track until October.

Yeah I know. But I'm talking about now greats, not future greats. The horse is great now, and thats what really matters. I'll leave it to morons who obsess about one or two horses all year and do nothing but talk about them to obsess on the future. I'm enjoying watching him run.

[Nostradamus]

The other knock on CQ is a soundness issue. I believe his mother brokedown in the Test at the Spa. Very well bred though.

I havn't watched Circular Quay run, and havn't really paid much attentions to the two year olds so far this year.... But I found it interesting when I was reading the Bloodhorse's Talkin Horses with Gary Stevens yesterday, that he said if any horse would bring him out of retirement it would be Circular Quay.

Originally Posted by Flaxen Mane

I havn't watched Circular Quay run, and havn't really paid much attentions to the two year olds so far this year.... But I found it interesting when I was reading the Bloodhorse's Talkin Horses with Gary Stevens yesterday, that he said if any horse would bring him out of retirement it would be Circular Quay.

Stevens has also made several other bold comments over the years that I've seen him be way off the mark about, so I wouldn't make much of his latest comment....I like Gary...he's a pretty inteligent jockey and doesn't pull any punches and that makes him a very likeable figure in our sport IMO, but he has made some bad predictions like saying Chekov would win the Derby last year

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....

[Buffymommy]

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....[/quote]


Yes he was.

wait a second...just because Jason Orman
is not a high profile trainer
that doesn't make him a clown
as Fonzie would say "that's not cool"
Sit on it, Mr. C!

[Pointg5]

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....[/quote]


Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....

Originally Posted by Pointg5

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....

Real nice, I would say that "clown" was put under an extraordinary set of circumstances to get the horse in the Derby, didn't happen, but the owners kept pushing and I would say that he did a pretty good job under the constraints he was under. He would have never beat Smarty, no matter what, but it's no shame to run 2nd to him. And as for Mandella, I do not believe he is setting the world on fire right now....[/quote]

Don't crusify the messenger...it was on the radio with that host from Vegas when somebody on that show referred to the horse as "going from a clown stable to a crown stable"....not my words

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Stevens has also made several other bold comments over the years that I've seen him be way off the mark about, so I wouldn't make much of his latest comment....I like Gary...he's a pretty inteligent jockey and doesn't pull any punches and that makes him a very likeable figure in our sport IMO, but he has made some bad predictions like saying Chekov would win the Derby last year

However, he did say that Rock Hard Ten would never lose again when he left that clown's barn and went to Mandella, and he was right there....

What exactly makes Jason Orman a clown? He got RHT to the big spring races in good shape and he wasn;t good enough.

So, Mandella improved him. That doesn't make Orman a clown. Though he's 35 years od or so, he's still just getting going as a public traimer. But he's got a great background, having worked for Currin as well as spending time overseas.

Who trains the Cunningham family stable's horses?

Would Mandella have a chance to improve your father's barn?

Does that make your dad's trainer a clown as well?

[Buffymommy]

Just so ya know, I am only in this agreement because I meant that Gary was right that RH10 would never lose again after his crummy beginning to his three year old season. Now I don't know who to put the blame on: Trainer or owner. I wasn't in on the deal so I am not placing blame on anyone.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

What exactly makes Jason Orman a clown? He got RHT to the big spring races in good shape and he wasn;t good enough.

So, Mandella improved him. That doesn't make Orman a clown. Though he's 35 years od or so, he's still just getting going as a public traimer. But he's got a great background, having worked for Currin as well as spending time overseas.

Who trains the Cunningham family stable's horses?

Would Mandella have a chance to improve your father's barn?

Does that make your dad's trainer a clown as well?

Again, NOT MY WORDS...the host was talking about the fact that Orman couldn't even get Rock Hard Ten to load into the gates, which is actually true if you remember the Preakness or Belmont and Haskell....

I think that yes, the time may have been a tad slow, but that Romans filly that Blackthroat was speaking of was rumored before yesterday's race to be the real deal. That filly was amazing, breaking slow, a little rank, then had to go around them and just cruised. Shes going to be the fave in the Adirondack(I suspect the Schuylerville is too quick back for her).
I for one have always railed on about being leery of closing sprinters when they stretch out, but Quay isnt exactly just a closing sprinter. The fractions were hot and he wasn't all that far off. I think his crusing speed is pretty fast. The fact that he just starts to quicken near the end of the race is absolutely indicative of a horse who will relish going longer. WHen that occurs his cruising speed will keep him closer to the more moderate paces that races going longer will have.
I dunno who thinks he was tired but whoever that is needs to take a look again. He was not even sweaty on a warm day when he came back, he had the appearance of a horse who was in the paddock before a race. And to the poster who pointed out Rafael being unable to chill him out on the way back, I caught the same thing on tv. He looked like he was a handful coming back.
His intelligence is apparent as well, he appears to be a highly competitive and smart animal who actually understands his object out there, something that some horses never get and even more simply don't care about, ever.
As far as Scat daddy goes, i realize that the barn thinks hes the greatest thing they ever had. But hes a johannesburg and I don't like his future prospects to stretch nearly as much as I do Quay's. Many a barn has loved a horse who appeared to be the best ever they had and had another one achieve more.
Once upon a time there was a high profile barn(like Pletchers) that had a horse who from day one they told the media was the goods. He was very good and won the BC Juvenile. All the following spring the trainer and press spoke of nothing but him while his stable mate won some other stakes under the radar. Come Derby day they entered the gate with one being one of the faves and the other going off at a very long price. The glorified one ran 3rd to his stable mate who went off at 28-1. The glorified one did go on to win the Preakness, but his stable mate kept grinding out wins in races like the Belmont, Swaps, and Travers. The horses name? Thunder Gulch, who outperformed Timber Country. I wouldn't be at all shocked if his son Quay went on to outperform Scat Daddy.

[Thunder Gulch]

I'm a believer in Q- can we keep that nickname?

Circular Quay is not a fast horse. Nothing special there other than that he was ready earlier. If you think this horse is special and has a big future based on 2 slow races in the spring of the 2yr old season you know nothing about horses. Most of the big names you will hear next spring have not even raced yet. Everyone knows that. These early races like the Bashford every year get people talking about how great they are and they almost always flame out. If early races mean anything I guess those AP Indys should just pack it in.

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

Circular Quay is not a fast horse. Nothing special there other than that he was ready earlier. If you think this horse is special and has a big future based on 2 slow races in the spring of the 2yr old season you know nothing about horses. Most of the big names you will hear next spring have not even raced yet. Everyone knows that. These early races like the Bashford every year get people talking about how great they are and they almost always flame out. If early races mean anything I guess those AP Indys should just pack it in.

Ah the doubter returns!!! Yeah you are right, you would never wanna own one like that. Absolutely no talent at all.