Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers: Swiss Skydiver 105

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by freddymo

you routinely hear Beyer defend the big figs from the past, that said other figure makers seem to disagree that horses are getting slower? I think CJ's figs are higher of course he takes pace into account. I dont follow Jerry Brown but he also seems to digree from Beyer in that horses are slower in 2020 than they were 25 years ago? some suggest the tracks are deeper? How the heck would anyone save a trainer or super know for sure? These are interesting conversations to have, I have no problem challenging Fig orthodoxy, sometimes they break out races, sometimes they make artful assumptions, it ain't perfect or is it meant to be. But the random "I think its a tad light" stuff is comical.

What’s really comical is that these beyer numbers, which have gotten significantly lower over the years, can’t really compare hosses from past to present. Who decided that they should be so much lower ? That filly ran 1:53.2. If they went another 1/16 she most likely shades 2:00 for a mile and a quarter. Is that another 105 ? I mean if figures now can’t be compared to the past, what good are they in a historic sense ? They’re not. They are the most overrated thing out there. If you couldn’t see that authentic and the filly were motoring home, you don’t know what you’re watching. 105 .....pfff

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

What’s really comical is that these beyer numbers, which have gotten significantly lower over the years, can’t really compare hosses from past to present. Who decided that they should be so much lower ? That filly ran 1:53.2. If they went another 1/16 she most likely shades 2:00 for a mile and a quarter. Is that another 105 ? I mean if figures now can’t be compared to the past, what good are they in a historic sense ? They’re not. They are the most overrated thing out there. If you couldn’t see that authentic and the filly were motoring home, you don’t know what you’re watching. 105 .....pfff

Quite an answer.

Couple of things...why are you so hung up on something you think are overrated and useless?

There was a 2 hour break from the Defrancis to the Black Eyed Susan’s. It would appear the track sped up significantly...unless you think Miss Marissa improved like 20 points in winning the BES.

Beyer and CJ seem to be in agreement over the fig. That’s good enough for me.

[Alabama Stakes]

I don’t look at beyer numbers at all. I’m just using a common sense idea that if a filly runs the second fastest time in Preakness history, that it would get a significantly higher number than 105. As far as juicing the track up, isn’t that one of those conspiracy theories that you frown upon.

You watched the stretch, did it not appear to the naked eye that those two were running very fast ?
Were you surprised the beyer wasn’t higher ?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

I don’t look at beyer numbers at all. I’m just using a common sense idea that if a filly runs the second fastest time in Preakness history, that it would get a significantly higher number than 105. As far as juicing the track up, isn’t that one of those conspiracy theories that you frown upon.

You watched the stretch, did it not appear to the naked eye that those two were running very fast ?
Were you surprised the beyer wasn’t higher ?

I shouldn’t bother but...I’ve never said a track speeding up is a conspiracy theory. It’s a fact, it happens. I learned a long time ago that usually when track records are broken it is a function of the track and not the horses.

When cheap claimers run ridiculous times at Turf Paradise or a track like that...would it make sense to give them ridiculous figs? Isn’t that when common sense comes in?

As usual you’re stuck on things totally unrelated to the fig like it was a filly that won, she also won your favorite race therefore should get a higher fig....instead of doing what Freddy suggested.

The top two finishers ran huge races but common sense should tell you that the rest of the field didn’t run tops compared to what they had run before while getting beat a pole and Miss Marissa also didn’t drastically improve. The track sped up.

It doesn’t diminish what Swiss Skydiver did. It’s just reality. You should try and be a part of it more.

[southerndutch]

Sorry if this is off topic, but Im still wondering what Beyer Knicks Go received in Sunday’s third at Keeneland when he set a new track record while “geared down.” Anyone?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by southerndutch

Sorry if this is off topic, but Im still wondering what Beyer Knicks Go received in Sunday’s third at Keeneland when he set a new track record while “geared down.” Anyone?

107

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kasept

107

Seems low