Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

119 for the turf sprint is an interesting discussion to undertake. I would love to listen to various agencies on their interpretation and analysis of the assigned figure.

You'll hear Andy Beyer on ATR tomorrow.. but you knew that already.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You'll hear Andy Beyer on ATR tomorrow.. but you knew that already.

I thought Andy was great today as always

Stormy Liberal and World of Trouble ran the highest turf Beyer figs of all time. They both got excellent, like six seven lengths better in a few weeks. Both had raced a myriad of times at the distance or similar both had established credible baselines to their ability both are 6/7 lengths faster than they ever have been becoming the fastest turf sprinters in the Beyers Era.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I thought Andy was great today as always

Stormy Liberal and World of Trouble ran the highest turf Beyer figs of all time. They both got excellent, like six seven lengths better in a few weeks. Both had raced a myriad of times at the distance or similar both had established credible baselines to their ability both are 6/7 lengths faster than they ever have been becoming the fastest turf sprinters in the Beyers Era.

Not sure you are wrong.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Not sure you are wrong.

I am not an expert I have not become nor will ever be an expert fig maker, and indeed, no disrespect to Beyer is implied. I accept Andy's thoughts and the conclusions his experience leads him too. It was a fantastic effort by both horses. Would I use 119/118 as an accurate measure of the race when handicapping the next race either of these showed up in again? Not a chance.

[cakes44]

What are you going to do though, say that two horses ran out of their minds(plausible), or that basically all of the other 12 ran as poorly as they could have? With this goofy-run race, it really doesn't seem like there can be an in-between.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by cakes44

What are you going to do though, say that two horses ran out of their minds(plausible), or that basically all of the other 12 ran as poorly as they could have? With this goofy-run race, it really doesn't seem like there can be an in-between.

I am not purporting Beyer is wrong because he isn't. Beyer methodology is rooted in decades of experience he isn't wrong he followed his process and derived a figure that works for him. That said it's his process and his figures can be changed when and if they prove to be misleading. At this point, this is Beyers best interpretation of the race. We will see. Lots of people make figures some for the public others for themselves.

To me, it's not about calling out the guy who made the figure and preaching why it's right or wrong it's about understanding their interpretation of the race and why they used the figure they did. I can disagree with an interpretation; I can't rationally suggest the figure is wrong with a guy who is doing it 50 years and is a legend.