For GR and KYRose

[Downthestretch55]

I thought you might like this article.
Sure, the right wingers will bash it. They bash any opposing views.
So I'm not putting this out for them. I already know what they'll say.
They are certainly entitled to their opinions, but not their name-calling.
The truth stands on its own, for those with courage enough to say it.
Here's someone that does...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...ing_democracy/

[Downthestretch55]

And also the words of Senator Robert Byrd, our longest serving senator.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0913-32.htm

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

And also the words of Senator Robert Byrd, our longest serving senator.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0913-32.htm

Robert Byrd....he makes some valid points but please, a former member of the KKK lost the right to be the voice of reason and compassion when he pulled the white hood over his head...

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Robert Byrd....he makes some valid points but please, a former member of the KKK lost the right to be the voice of reason and compassion when he pulled the white hood over his head...

In no way do I agree with the KKK. And, if memory serves, Byrd has apologized for the poor decisions he's made.

[timmgirvan]

Robert Byrd? Can anyone say moral compass?? And Robert Scheer..the most strident voice on the left??? I don't think so,my friend!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Robert Byrd? Can anyone say moral compass?? And Robert Scheer..the most strident voice on the left??? I don't think so,my friend!

Scheer was fired by the Los Angeles Times because he was too extreme ... even for them.

Just imagine that ... too weird and nutty ... even for the LA Times.

And these are the folks they get inspiration from.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

In no way do I agree with the KKK. And, if memory serves, Byrd has apologized for the poor decisions he's made.

lol

so did david duke...but apparently only liberals mean it, conservatives are faking.



---disclaimer....i in no way support now, and never supported, the likes of david duke!!! he and byrd--two sides of the same rotten, crooked coin!!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol

so did david duke...but apparently only liberals mean it, conservatives are faking.
!

The Republicans drummed David Duke out of their ranks ... even sending money and support to the other candidates to defeat him ... and yet ...

... the Democrats embraced ... and still do ... KKK Byrd.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

In no way do I agree with the KKK. And, if memory serves, Byrd has apologized for the poor decisions he's made.

D-55, ask Trent Lott about how those apologies work. As to Robert Byrd..if the people of WVA want him...that's all that is important.

Ez

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ezrabrooks

D-55, ask Trent Lott about how those apologies work. As to Robert Byrd..if the people of WVA want him...that's all that is important.

Ez

Ez,
In reality, Sen. Byrd isn't one of my favorite guys. He's delivered "pork" year after year, and that's gotten him elected more than any other.
His early decisions, though apologized for, were indeed misguided. (wrong).
The people of WVA will keep voting for him as long as his ticker keeps ticking.
Basically, the one thing I agree with him on is his recent statement before the Senate. Go back and read the article.
DTS

[Danzig]

lol

only right wingers bash eh?

so, when i agree, as i have been known to do, with a 'liberal' view--am i a right winger than? a basher? or maybe just suffering a moment of sanity....
and goodness knows when a more conservative POV is presented, ah, no left wing bashing to be seen.

the road runs in both directions. some of us try to tread down the middle of the road, so as not to get pushed off either shoulder into a ditch. and that way, we can see both sides of the road pretty well...


good ol byrd. apparently if you live long enough all your sins are forgiven...

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol

only right wingers bash eh?

so, when i agree, as i have been known to do, with a 'liberal' view--am i a right winger than? a basher? or maybe just suffering a moment of sanity....
and goodness knows when a more conservative POV is presented, ah, no left wing bashing to be seen.

the road runs in both directions. some of us try to tread down the middle of the road, so as not to get pushed off either shoulder into a ditch. and that way, we can see both sides of the road pretty well...


good ol byrd. apparently if you live long enough all your sins are forgiven...

Danzig, I meant no label directed at you.
If you go back and read the title of this thread, and who I put it up for, and also read my introductory post, I kind of anticipated the response.
I am not asking anyone to agree with my views.
For those that chose to do so, fine.
There are some that would rather attack the "character" of those that say something of merit, not their words, their "character".
If you took anything I've stated the wrong way, I offer my deep apology.
dTS

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Danzig, I meant no label directed at you.
If you go back and read the title of this thread, and who I put it up for, and also read my introductory post, I kind of anticipated the response.
I am not asking anyone to agree with my views.
For those that chose to do so, fine.
There are some that would rather attack the "character" of those that say something of merit, not their words, their "character".
If you took anything I've stated the wrong way, I offer my deep apology.
dTS

no apology necessary dts. altho we may not always agree, i know i never get any feeling of disrespect or the like from you, may you always be able to say the same about me...also in a bit of a mood today. a good one i guess, but a bit more smart-ass than usual--if you can believe that!!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Robert Byrd....he makes some valid points but please, a former member of the KKK lost the right to be the voice of reason and compassion when he pulled the white hood over his head...

Not just a member ...

... he was a Grand Kleagle ... or some such nutty, hateful thing.

But don't worry ... there are lots of leftists with much higher moral standards than KKK Byrd ... like Eddy Kennedy ... and Willy Clinton.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

And also the words of Senator Robert Byrd, our longest serving senator.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0913-32.htm

quality over quantity!!

[somerfrost]

DTS, honestly to be taken seriously you have to avoid the likes of Byrd...I went to school in WVa and my first wife was from there...I know too much about the guy, the comparisons of him and Duke are certainly valid...forgive? Sure! Forget? No, I'm afraid that's something those of us who marched in the 60's will never do! You simply can't reach the moral high ground wearing a white sheet...it may not cover his body anymore but the karma remains.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

DTS, honestly to be taken seriously you have to avoid the likes of Byrd...I went to school in WVa and my first wife was from there...I know too much about the guy, the comparisons of him and Duke are certainly valid...forgive? Sure! Forget? No, I'm afraid that's something those of us who marched in the 60's will never do! You simply can't reach the moral high ground wearing a white sheet...it may not cover his body anymore but the karma remains.

Somerfrost,
I'll give you that. I also marched, not in the 60's but the 70's.
Read his words.
DTS

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I thought you might like this article.
Sure, the right wingers will bash it. They bash any opposing views.
So I'm not putting this out for them. I already know what they'll say.
They are certainly entitled to their opinions, but not their name-calling.
The truth stands on its own, for those with courage enough to say it.
Here's someone that does...

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/...ing_democracy/

I didn't bother reading the article. I just skimmed it slightly because I saw it was by Robert Scherer. That guy is a joke. He used to do a column in the Los Angeles Times once a week. Luckily for the readers, he finally got fired. This guy is truly pitiful. He's like a broken record. His editorial was the same every week: Every bad thing in the whole world is because of George W. Bush.

Scherer has absolutely no shame. His columns were so one-sided and predictable that it was an embarassment. You'd think that at least once in a while he would try to show some type of objectivity. You would think that if he talked for a long enough time that something intelligent would come out of his mouth. Just by sheer chance, you would think that something intelligent may randomly come out of his mouth. I'm still waiting for it to happen. The L.A. Times has always been a liberal paper but even they couldn't stomach Scherer. He was an embarrassment to the paper.

I can't figure out how DTS or anyone else could like reading a guy like Scherer. My politics are definitely to the right of center but I don't like listening to one of these one-sided right-wingers who can't come up with an original thought. I don't like anyone who is going to insult my intelligence and only tell me half the story. I don't care if it's a right-winger or a left-winger.

It's sad how some of you will take the words of some of these people as carte-blanche. It's pathetic. Practically all of my thoughts and opinions are orginal thoughts. I don't like listening to a right-winger like Sean Hannity. I'm not going to learn anything from listening to a guy like that. You guys aren't going to learn anything from listening to idiots like Scherer.

I'm always skeptical of anything any of these people say. Just the other day, Senator Frist was being interviewed and was saying how the republicans want to pass a bill to raise the minimum wage but the democrats are aginst it. If I was as gullible as you guys, I would eat this up and belive that the republicans must want higher wages and the democrats must not. I actually don't know if what Frist said is true or not but I assume it's one of those half-truths that you constantly get from politicians. Even thought I normally like Bill Frist, I have a strong suspicion that he was only telling half the story.

You guys need to be more cynical about people in both parties. It is very rare that one of these politicians or columnists will be straight-forward and will want to tell you the truth. They don't want you to know the truth. They're just giving you one-side of the story trying to sell you their agenda.

You see what is upsetting about this article. The guy has some valid points but then he starts with this ridiculous name calling, like on this board, and just loses credibility. You can bash Bush on his judgements, but when you attempt to make him into a stupid demon it just loses all its credibility. And thats sad because there are some valid points.

Its so easy to make a politician you dont like into someone stupid, ignorant, and evil. It makes them easier to hate, and then one never gets a clear view.

and honestly, the only place I have ever been called a right and a left winger is on this board.