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but horses don't necessarily have to be encouraged. when they hit their stride, good luck. for instance, dr fager when he broke the mile record. secretariat when he coasted in the belmont. and then some horses quit when they get out front...buckpassers moves had to be timed just right. |
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![]() And maybe if Firing Line had been given a crack when prompted to switch leads he would have and this thread would have been titled Firing Line.
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I have never suggested American Pharoah wasn't a good horse. I said that the hype he was generating was not backed up by his on-track performance. The response I usually got was some BS about him displaying mythical qualities in the morning. This was clearly not backed up by his performance in the Derby....which was good, but hardly in the pantheon of great Derby performances. As far as what he looked like down the backstretch....you are in the minority. Had he been the horse some experts wanted us to believe, he would have won by more, without being hit 32 times. Quite a few horses, good horses, have followed up Derby wins with far more decisive Preakness performances. It surely possible that American Pharoah could be one of those. We'll see.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB |
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And I am in the minority apparently, and that is often a good thing. I was adamant with DrugS, for instance, that Big Brown wouldn't win the Belmont, and in fact, should be kept out of the race. The Pharoah is a real difficult horse to get a read on. There are things about him that are awesome, but others that are equally worrying. |
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Felix Unger talking to Oscar Madison: "Your horse could finish third by 20 lengths and they still pay you? And you have been losing money for all these years?!" |
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![]() But Matt, how could you conclude that after The Don, Don Guido or DG, whichever your prefer, says he hardly broke a sweat on Saturday?
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![]() Well Guido did win a million dollars on that race so I trust him.
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![]() Yeah, I don't really get the not breaking a sweat thing.
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Definitely not the same as chasing Bridget's Big Luvy anyways. |
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You liking those odds in your last paragraph at say 3/5?
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Upstart probably had an off day though. |
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It is possible though for a horse to have an off day and win though. |
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![]() You have to base your analysis on what you saw...not what you wish you saw. What we saw was a horse getting a very good trip, and being ridden very hard, that proved best. Hey, there's no shame in that...but he ran his race, handled the track, etc. He's a very good horse. He's not a super horse...at least not yet.
He's also a horse that missed the biggest 2YO race of the year, in his back yard, and was then off for five months. He has returned to run three races of 3 7/16 miles in distance in seven weeks time...and needs to run another 2 11/16 miles worth of races over the next five weeks. That's 5 races and over 6 miles in distance in just 12 weeks. I surely wish the connections the best of luck, and certainly hope they win in two weeks, but I'm also a betting man....and there is NO way I would bet on American Pharoah winning the Triple Crown at any kind of short price.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB |
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![]() So, let me get this straight.
If AP rolls by open lengths in the Preakness, will you come back and say he maybe had an off day in the Derby? |
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