Obama - good for Americans

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Don't do it Chuck ...

In a matter of minutes he'll be PM'ing pics to you of neon colored anal beads that some deviant chap is inserting into his anal cavity.

timmi told me you were sending him those. how did you find another guy to do that in erie?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Keep obsessing over Erie you tedious piece of sh!t.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Keep obsessing over Erie you tedious piece of sh!t.

Yeah, and keep acting like a childish little punk...in erie.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You sure told me.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You sure told me.

Didnt need to. You are showing yourself to be a little tiny person. Certainly NOT a man.

[Honu]

Oh stop yer bickering , the Pied Piper is calling you ......

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is the world's largest business federation representing more than 3 million businesses of all sizes, sectors, and regions. It includes hundreds of associations, thousands of local chambers, and 106 American Chambers of Commerce in 94 countries.

Whether you own a business, represent one, lead a corporate office, or manage an association, the Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America® provides you with a voice of experience and influence in Washington, D.C., and around the globe. Our core mission is to fight for business and free enterprise before Congress, the White House, regulatory agencies, the courts, the court of public opinion, and governments around the world.

From its headquarters near the White House, the Chamber maintains a professional staff of more than 300 of the nation's top policy experts, lobbyists, lawyers, and communicators. The Washington staff is supported by seven regional offices around the country; an office in Brussels; an on-the-ground presence in China; and a network of grassroots business activists.

Our members include businesses of all sizes and sectors—from large Fortune 500 companies to home-based, one-person operations. In fact, 96% of our membership encompasses businesses with fewer than 100 employees.
Yeah a real bunch of radical right wingers...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...er_of_Commerce

It is totally right wing and they are totally partisan. Schummer just berated them.

Next you are going to tell me Business Roundtable is non-partisan as well.

[prudery]

To stray slightly from the topic, McCain has announced that he is going to "whip" Obama's " you know what " in the next debate ... Followed by the disclaimer ( sic ) that he will conduct himself respectfully ...

Do what you want with statement one, the next seems to put an oxy before the moron ...

Way to go, John ... Please pass the duct tape along with the Metamucil and the gingko biloba ...

I only lost 8 % in the stock market, but I seem to have lost Mortimer ...













Thud .....

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

"The U.S. Small Business Administration Office of Advocacy estimates the total number of "small" firms with fewer than 500 workers reached 26.8 million in 2006. That's the most recent estimate. But it is also inflated. Since the total U.S. population was just under 300 million in 2006, it would mean that one in every 11 Americans – men, women and children – is a "small-business owner."

It turns out, SBA's estimate includes more than 20 million "nonemployer" firms, an unknown number of them sideline or hobby businesses run by persons who actually make their living some other way. Census and SBA count as a "small business" anyone who reported as little as $1,000 of business receipts."


now i see why i was wondering about their numbers...apparently any and every type of second income is classified as a small business. my idea of a small business is something like where i work, which does far more than 250k a year. i didn't realize they counted every ebay seller or baby sitter, kid who does yard work, etc.

That's all of us handicappers who claim our "profits" at the end of the year as a gambling business, right?

[zippyneedsawin]

[quote=Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

remind me again how obama is going to take care of that pesky deficit? how he'll balance the budget? oh, that's right...not in the works in either candidates plan.

also, isn't obama proposing tax increases on corporations and small business? how will that help most americans, since most of us either run, or work for a corporation/small business? isn't anything that harms business also going to harm employees?

also, since obama said he's going to hold off on cap gains tax increases due to the economy, doesn't that also put a hold on his tax cuts to the middle class?

Here's what I don't get. Don't Republicans believe in less government involvement and less government spending (thereby reducing taxes)?
Then, why is it that when the last two Republican Presidents got into office the national debt skyrocketed? This isn't a slam against Bush and Reagan as much as it just a question. Is the answer simply Cold War spending(Reagan) and 9/11, Iraq, economy(Bush) ?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by prudery

To stray slightly from the topic, McCain has announced that he is going to "whip" Obama's " you know what " in the next debate ... Followed by the disclaimer ( sic ) that he will conduct himself respectfully ...

Do what you want with statement one, the next seems to put an oxy before the moron ...

Way to go, John ... Please pass the duct tape along with the Metamucil and the gingko biloba ...

I only lost 8 % in the stock market, but I seem to have lost Mortimer ...


Thud .....

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do you have anything positive to say about Obama's plans?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by steve

bringing american boys and girls home from Iraq for starters

I thought he said he would move them from Iraq and sent them to Afghanistan. I don't think he plans on bringing them home.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, thought out response time after an exciting day with the niffle. Before I start your chargers better come through.

So called "independants" that want to be "convinced" really arent going to be "convinced" at this stage of the game. You arent going to be convinced Geeker. You finally realize that Obama being President is inevitable thats all.

So what do i think he will do that is good for America? Okay:

1. He will be a good representative to the international community:

Obama is a thoughtful and eloquent speaker and he carries himself like a president should. The current president's foreign policy has been a failure and its to a point where America is losing its place in the world. i think Obama can help get us there. I think he wants to rebuild some fractured relationships. I think he wants to see if we can negotiate a peace with some of our enemies. This John Wayne style of foreign policy doesnt work. I think Obama's way will be good for us.

2. Tax Policy that helps the middle class:

Tax breaks to the people who need it. Build America up from the middle instead of using this Trickle down, supply side theory that has proven to be an utter failure. If anyone wants to debate this we can any day. This will be good for us all, even the rich that are being taxed more.

3. End this war in Iraq:

It was a mistake in 2003 and it is still is. One of the reasons that we are in this economic mess is because of the financial strain of the war (another discussion). Too many have died and its time to get our soldiers OUT. This will be good for all of us.

Do you want more?

Thanks!

1. OK I can see that - he does have a good presence about him.

2. How much do we get? I keep hearing that 40% of the people don't pay taxes and they will get checks - if this is true it really pi$$es me off...where the hell is this money coming from? I guess if he gives it to the people that pay no taxes some if it comes from me!

3. He says he will withdraw from Iraq but will send them to Afghanistan. Like it or not I don't think you can just withdraw from Iraq and not make a total mess in the region....or maybe you can just say fucl< it and walk away.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Thanks!

1. OK I can see that - he does have a good presence about him.

2. How much do we get? I keep hearing that 40% of the people don't pay taxes and they will get checks - if this is true it really pi$$es me off...where the hell is this money coming from? I guess if he gives it to the people that pay no taxes some if it comes from me!

3. He says he will withdraw from Iraq but will send them to Afghanistan. Like it or not I don't think you can just withdraw from Iraq and not make a total mess in the region....or maybe you can just say fucl< it and walk away.

2. I think his plan is to get the money from the wealthy and from corporations by increasing their taxes.

3. I am actually torn on this myself Geeker. I dont think that they are ALL supposed to go to Afghanistan. Either way though, the plan is a phase by phase withdrawl that will be completed in 16 months. The region is already a total mess but I, too, have apprehensions about what will become of the oil supply, er, people in the region.

[miraja2]

The problem with saying this candidate will do 1, 2, and 3 while the other guy will do A, B, and C is that there is no way of knowing what they will be able to accomplish when they get in there. That is pretty much always true in presidential elections, but it is particularly true this time when neither guy can have any real idea just how miserable the economy is going to be when he takes over. They both propose various tax policies and spending initiatives that will most likely need to be dramatically changed no matter who wins.

I don't vote for people because of specific policy promises they make because circumstances will almost always change them. However, I also don't vote for people based on their personality. I am looking for a general governing philosophy. I believe that health care is a right, and that the current system needs to be significantly overhauled. I believe the Bush tax cuts for the rich should be eliminated. I believe the U.S. should not only get out of Iraq, but should refrain from other unwarrented preemptive invasions. I believe Supreme Court justices should protect a woman's right to choose. etc. etc.
In general, Obama's philosophy/ideology matches up with mine, so I'm voting for him. That doesn't mean that all of his specific proposals are going to get done, and there is no way of knowing what exactly his presidency will "do" for the American people. I think that if he wins, some of the stuff he wants to get done probably will happen, and some of it won't. That is just reality.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Give NoseDrops a shout.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by prudery

To stray slightly from the topic, McCain has announced that he is going to "whip" Obama's " you know what " in the next debate ... Followed by the disclaimer ( sic ) that he will conduct himself respectfully ...

Do what you want with statement one, the next seems to put an oxy before the moron ...

Way to go, John ... Please pass the duct tape along with the Metamucil and the gingko biloba ...

I only lost 8 % in the stock market, but I seem to have lost Mortimer ...


Thud .....

Excellent thudding..well done.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...er_of_Commerce

It is totally right wing and they are totally partisan. Schummer just berated them.

Next you are going to tell me Business Roundtable is non-partisan as well.

Schumer berating someone is actually a positive sign for the offended party. Is there any organization that you wouldnt call partisan? Partisan or not most of the information that was stated was fact. Taxing business will hurt the American worker that you seem to weep for. Taking more money away from business will shrink the ecomony, not grow it.

[Cannon Shell]

I also find it interesting that you would quote a totally partisan website in trying to demean another suppoedly partisan website. The 2 quotes made in the opening statement are from totally partisan and extreme left wing fringe elements.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Schumer berating someone is actually a positive sign for the offended party. Is there any organization that you wouldnt call partisan? Partisan or not most of the information that was stated was fact. Taxing business will hurt the American worker that you seem to weep for. Taking more money away from business will shrink the ecomony, not grow it.

What's ecomony? Sounds like this chick that sings the Dodger Fightsong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyRSvF-CinU

Unofficial Dodger fightsong (evidently they constantly play it in the clubhouse....a Greg Maddux favorite)

[x4]
All I wanna do is (BANG BANG BANG BANG!)
And (KKKAAAA CHING!)
And take your money