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11-10-2006, 03:32 PM
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11-11-2006, 05:28 AM
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Too many guys that I have too much respect for, guys like Mandella, Drysdale, McAnally....are based in California. If the tracks were really that unsafe and dangerous, I don't think they would be here.
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11-11-2006, 08:47 PM
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for once the guy has a point and I have always tried to express that same point in this whole poly argument.
cali tracks are fast. does not mean they are more dangerous than a track in say, Maryland or New Jersey. maybe Im the only one, but I watch Hollypark every day in hopes that horses will break down so that this whole safety angle will go away in the debate. Repent
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11-11-2006, 08:50 PM
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11-11-2006, 08:57 PM
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well, when horses start breaking down on that crap then thats one less thing the poly party can point to as a reason for the surface. horses die. its part of racing. ask anyone who bet on Bayakoa if they were upset about Go For Wand breaking down. from now on, if its going to happen, I hope it happens on polytrack. Repent
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11-11-2006, 08:58 PM
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the debate is bigger than any one horse's life. this is the future of American racing we are talking about. Repent
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11-11-2006, 09:10 PM
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dont kid yourself. the main argument, especially in CA, is the safety of the horses and rders. in KY and the east coast, it has more to do with weather and racing days. but in CA, they have fast tracks anyway. so its really about some percieved level of safety. so with that in mind, if we are going to win the state of CA, we have to beat them on the safety issue. we need horses to start getting hurt and breaking down. the sooner the better. have you seen those TVG "cushion track" propaganda commercials. they interview like 10 trainers about the new, "safe", surface. and dont act like horse players are so freaking concerned about the safety of horses. dont tell me that when your horse is in a dog fight in the stretch, that you are not hoping for something to go wrong with the other horse. Repent
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11-11-2006, 09:14 PM
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11-11-2006, 09:15 PM
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and it would be nice if no more horses had to lose their life for our enjoyment. so, sorry, altho i'm not sold on poly, i'll be damned if i'd want to see another pine island to prove a point.
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11-11-2006, 09:16 PM
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11-11-2006, 09:27 PM
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The "propaganda" is, most likely, actually the truth. I admit the jury's still out, but Santa Anita is a virtual ghost town because everyone's in Inglehood training their horses on a safer surface. Not all of these trainers can be wrong about how their horses are handling the polytrack, and that they're staying sounder. That can't just be a perception. I have no doubt that horses will be fatally injured racing over it, but I am also as convinced that it won't be even close to as many as have been for decades now. And when my horse is battling down the stretch, I don't wish for his rival to snap a leg. I wish the rider drops the whip, or the bridle breaks or he just gets tired. I know a lot of hard-core handicappers, but not one who wishes injury to horse or rider just to cash a ticket.
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11-11-2006, 09:30 PM
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no, she died on dirt. that was not a good thing for our argument. fortunately I also had RPond on my late pick 4 ticket. was alive until Bern f*cked it up. Repent
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11-11-2006, 09:32 PM
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you sure about that? thought the mandate was just for SoCal tracks. i think Bay Meadows, Golden Gate and the fair circuit are safe. I hope I am right. Repent
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11-11-2006, 09:43 PM
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I read differently, but Im sure you are right. well, that means we need all the breakdowns and problems we can get btwn now and then. might not make a difference, but it cant hurt. I wish one of these tracks(mainly the 2 Magna tracks) would stand up and preserve the tradition that is dirt racing in America. Im going to lmao when they decide to go back to regular dirt in 2009 after 2 years of that crap. lot of wasted time and money. Repent
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11-11-2006, 10:07 PM
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thanks, I went to the CHRB's website and read the press releases after you posted that about all CA tracks. you were right. any track running thoroughbreds for more than 4 consecutive weeks has to install some sort of synethic surface. gave them 4 to choose from. Hollypark obviously chose cushion. I heard Del Mar chose the same, but Im not sure. do you know? Repent
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11-12-2006, 06:55 PM
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11-13-2006, 03:47 PM
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I generally really like reading Repent's replies, he can make me laugh at times, but man, Repent, you can't possibly really mean what you say, and if you really do mean it than you are not what we all are, whether we are gamblers, owners, breeders or just like the majority .... fans. There is no way you could be actually pulling for these beautiful animals to break down and die so you could prove a point. I think anyone who would wish this has to think of these horses as nothing more than numbered saddle cloths, and not the wonderful animals they are.
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11-14-2006, 01:43 AM
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well, part of the difference btwn me and a lot of you is that I have no appreciation for the actual horses themselves. ppl talk about going to KY and visiting these past great racehorses and I have to tell you, all i can think about is how much of a waste of time that would be. the closest I ever get to a horse is the paddock when they are saddling them at Lone Star. and I only go down there to see if they are washed out or not. its not like I have any desire to be close to an animal. I truly believe we are in a crucial time for American racing. I see this rubber polytrack crap going in at major racetracks and its like nobody gets it. this threatens the very existence of one of our country's oldest sporting institutions-thoroughbred dirt racing. dirt racing is what we do better than any country in the world. others have turf. so do we, but its not the primary aspect of our racing. 10 years from now, are we going to look around and claim to be the king of polytrack racing? maybe we are going to be that, but who really gives a sh*t? who want to be known as the country who breeds the best synthetic wax and rubber runners in the world? its downright embarassing. so Im sorry if my words offend some people. i know that a lot of you are better ppl than I am. and you care about these horses that we bet on. but I dont. I wish I could say that I hope everything goes well at Turfway, KEE, and Holypark. but I dont. I hope they fail. I hope they fail quickly so we can stop all this nonsense about synthetic surfaces. Repent
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11-14-2006, 08:22 AM
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The only thing that I hate to admit about Repent's post is that he may have a point regarding the rush to polytrack surfaces in light of the sport's long North American history as a dirt-based sport.
For a long period of time, major league baseball stadium owners chose to install artificial grass in lieu of natural grass due to its durability and ease of maintenance and we now see how the number of artificial surfaces in baseball have dwindled to just a few. The key difference is that artificial surfaces in baseball proved to be dangerous to the players and exacerbated injuries rather than prevented them while the expectation with polytrack is that it will prevent injuries to the "players" - those horses who really don't have much influence on the surface over which they ride. My concern about polytrack is that there should have been a long term pilot track where poly is used for 5-10 years to determine not just the number of breakdowns, but also to see whether the synthetic surface produces other ancillary health problems (lung issues in breathing for example) that actually could outnumber the value in lives saved from breakdown prevention. In other words, are there significant side effects to polytrack? I'd sure like to know before I see every dirt track in America disappear. By the way, this has become a total hijacking of a post entitled "the lava man thread...." Last edited by FairPlay : 11-14-2006 at 08:25 AM.
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