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One of the many sad things about this bill are that the bright young minds in this country will stay away from medicine and study something that will actually allow them to make good money. The quality of our care and our doctors is going to be right where the Dem leadership wants it to be.. the same "quality" of medical care that we are supposed to look up to from Canada & Europe. Crappy Care that Riot and Obama pretend is so great.
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The bill was touted as saving $61 billion over 10 years yet that doesnt take into consideration the new $77 billion in spending that it calls for. Net loss. Then there is this... "CBO explained that "savings" estimates are artificially high because of government accounting rules that undercount the risks of default when the government is originating the loans, while the new spending estimates are artificially low. Many colleges oppose the government plan specifically because the feds don't make the same effort to prevent defaults that the private lenders do." and this... "Both the House-passed bill and the President's budget increase Pell Grants and also create automatic future increases, so individual grants will grow faster than inflation every year. Colleges will pocket the money by raising tuition, so we have yet another federal program ensuring that higher education costs continue to rise even faster than health-care spending. Mr. Obama's budget also calls for making Pell Grants a mandatory entitlement. At least now they are subject to annual appropriation and their growth can be slowed when tax revenues fall or other priorities rate higher." And of course there is this... "Various changes that the President proposes to the Pell Grant program would add another $0.2 trillion to the deficit between 2011 and 2020," CBO said Friday. That could turn out to be a very optimistic estimate if unemployment remains high and more people seize the educational opportunity to which they have just become entitled. Still another taxpayer trap will be sprung with the President's proposal to forgive some debt incurred by "overburdened" borrowers. And how exactly is this going to be a money saver? In addition, borrowers in the income-based repayment program who make payments for 20 years will be eligible to have the balance of their loan forgiven. Currently, graduates in the program are eligible for loan forgiveness after 25 years. Plus the public service exemption after 10 years are employed by any nonprofit, tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization; are employed by the federal government, a state government, local government, or tribal government (this includes the military and public schools and colleges); or serve in a full-time AmeriCorps or Peace Corps position have their debt wiped away So in effect we are "saving" money by taking federally backed loans away from the banks yet will wind up spending far more than saved since the Pell grant program has mandatory increases, we will be eating a whole lot more of the unpaid debt with the forgiveness program and the sure to be wasteful govt beaurcracy that adminsters this entire deal. Was the old system a good one? Probably not. Is the new system going to be cheaper or more efficent? Not a chance. |
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts |
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The banks did nothing except delay processing and confuse paperwork (my experience, thanks). The banks usually only had one person "trained" to do student loan paperwork, it was a nightmare. Thank goodness they are out of the picture.
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I suggest to you and everyone else to read the bill , I am reading it and even though there is alot of government speak you can get to the meat of it , Im in the 200 pages . Interesting part is when they say there is going to be a committee to decide what end of life medicine you are alllowed to have . Awesome some dushe bag is going to say what you can and cannot have when you are dying . I know , I know insurance companies do it alreadyto an extent but at least it isnt my freaking government telling me.
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Insurance companies dictate to a great extent the quality of medical care you receive. That is what turns off most of the doctors I talk to. The less that exists, the more doctors will enter the field.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts |
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The less insurance company BS controlling how you practice medicine, influencing your insurance (malpractice type) costs, and expanding your office costs (paperwork), the more doctors we'll have.
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"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military."...William S. Burroughs |
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts |
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts |
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The forgiveness programs are expected to be a wash (no essential change from current) from what I've read. The "wasteful government beaurocracy that administers this entire deal" is already long in place, and has been doing a pretty impressively good job, from my 15 years of contact with them. Now please be consistent, and go over to the other thread, and explain how Obama opening up drilling off the southeast US shore, and closing off Bristol Bay, is a leftist, progressive entitlement program that will end up costing us billions in unforseen charges and expense.
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![]() I'm sure the Govt. will be saving the tax $$ collected in the next 4 yrs. to put towards Obamacare, and not just spend it on whatever social program comes along. They are the picture of thriftyness!
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so much for your efficiency and streamlining pipedream. the CBO says it will add $52 billion to the deficit. So triple that and you will be close to the reality. (CNSNews.com) -- The student loan overhaul legislation signed into law by President Barack Obama on Tuesday could add $52 billion to the deficit between 2010 and 2020 when the cost of the market risks and administrative expenses of the loans are taken into consideration, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reported. |
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"There is nothing at all in the just-passed healthcare reform that has the government remotely involved in any way whatsoever in one's health care/quality of medicine. Insurance companies dictate to a great extent the quality of medical care you receive." But here you infer that there will be less insurance company involvement "The less insurance company BS controlling how you practice medicine, influencing your insurance (malpractice type) costs, and expanding your office costs (paperwork), the more doctors we'll have" So which one is it? |
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