Invisible Stewards Race 2 Belmont Day

[Handicappy]

Did anyone see that incredible non-call in the second race on Belmont Stakes Day. Tiz It, Cornelio up, was off the rail, White Tie with Garcia up had position on the inside and Tiz It comes over, cuts White Tie off. White Tie, maiden - first start, gets checked hard and loses about 4 lengths. In the stretch, White Tie is coming hard and finishes 4th missing first by a little over a length with Tiz It second in front of him. Garcia calls foul at the finish, a spotter on the course calls the stewards to let them know they should look at it. Jockey comes back after the gallop out and the race is official before he gets off his mount. Garcia almost got put over the rail.

[slotdirt]

I did see it, and couldn't believe there wasn't at least an inquiry, especially considering the connections of White Tie.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Jockey comes back after the gallop out and the race is official before he gets off his mount.

I watch a lot of NY races and I find this hard to believe.

[hockey2315]

I bet White Tie and that was Garcia's fault.

[the_fat_man]

You know, I've been writing about this particular issue and it shocks me that people just don't get it.

The stewards are not concerned with jockeys keeping their horses straight. Horses getting pinched on the rail is a common occurrence. It happens all the time. If you're Edgar Prado, it happens to you 50% of your rides.

I see one of two things happening:

1) someone gets killed and the stewards start enforcing this, as a result

2) jockeys start taking precautions to protect themselves against 'pinchers'. Rather than cautiously holding their position or trying to ease back, they'll bust through the opening, which is their right, since they're already there, and when the pincher comes in, he'll get dumped. The pincher will thus be put at risk. And that will put an end to pinching. Of course, some of this might lead to some bigtime spills. What the hell, these things happen there's no professional policing of a sporting even.

Garcia's 'mistake' was trying to ride cautiously rather than recklessly and almost going down rather than dumping Cornelio, who's basically been riding on ACID the past few months.

[hockey2315]

There was absolutely no reason for Garcia to have his horse that close to the pace. He was in a perfect position before he got pinched.

[MaTH716]

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23083

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

There was absolutely no reason for Garcia to have his horse that close to the pace. He was in a perfect position before he got pinched.

Oh, so your complaint is that he was too close to the pace. What does that have to do with the issue? Garcia was ON THE RAIL, clear. It's HIS PATH. Cornelio can't take it away from him. That's common sense. Of course, the stewards don't get that.

When you're driving, do you merge over or just cut off the guy in the next lane?

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

There was absolutely no reason for Garcia to have his horse that close to the pace. He was in a perfect position before he got pinched.

Where he should have been has no bearing on the fact that he WAS there. He was crushed, lost 6 lengths and still missed by a 1 1/4 lengths.

The 6 should have come down. They were taking them down left and right at Keeneland for infractions not even close to that.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You know, I've been writing about this particular issue and it shocks me that people just don't get it.

The stewards are not concerned with jockeys keeping their horses straight. Horses getting pinched on the rail is a common occurrence. It happens all the time. If you're Edgar Prado, it happens to you 50% of your rides.

I see one of two things happening:

1) someone gets killed and the stewards start enforcing this, as a result

2) jockeys start taking precautions to protect themselves against 'pinchers'. Rather than cautiously holding their position or trying to ease back, they'll bust through the opening, which is their right, since they're already there, and when the pincher comes in, he'll get dumped. The pincher will thus be put at risk. And that will put an end to pinching. Of course, some of this might lead to some bigtime spills. What the hell, these things happen there's no professional policing of a sporting even.

Garcia's 'mistake' was trying to ride cautiously rather than recklessly and almost going down rather than dumping Cornelio, who's basically been riding on ACID the past few months.

Maybe "people don't get it" cause you are wrong. My goodness. What a revolutionary thought. I don't fault Cornelio. He looked as startled as anyone. But the stewards didn't even look at it. It was the fastest finish made official on the day.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I bet White Tie and that was Garcia's fault.

I watched it with the connections. No way was it Garcia's fault. He had position inside. If he didn't and was trying to run up there it would be. The inquiry sign should have went up regardless.