One of the greatest 11.25 length defeats by a filly in history

[Seattleallstar]

Geez this would be an issue if Macho Again caught Rachel in the Woodward. Clearly 9 was the limit, and 10 was pushing it.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Whether I think he's going to be good going forward is a different issue, his debut was extremely impressive.

NT

....Hard to care about anything Pletcher sends out. He's Rudy Rodriguez in better clothes.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Wherever Life At Ten runs next, what kind of a price do you expect to get? Where could she possibly run next time and be more than 3 or 4-1 besides a race like the Classic?

Like I said - she had a big backform coming into the race ... but I think you'll be surprised at how many people will be looking to play against her next time.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Like I said - she had a big backform coming into the race ... but I think you'll be surprised at how many people will be looking to play against her next time.

But who could they be playing against her with? She's not going to be running against males. Trust me, I understand your point and it's a good one. I just don't know if it's applicable in her case. We'll see.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Whether I think he's going to be good going forward is a different issue, his debut was extremely impressive.

NT

He blew a couple of nice 2 yr olds away in that race. The west point and klaravich colts are both nice and the contessa horse is supposed to be a runner.

Uncle Mo is a freak.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He blew a couple of nice 2 yr olds away in that race. The west point and klaravich colts are both nice and the contessa horse is supposed to be a runner.

Uncle Mo is a freak.

Nice based on what? They were all first time starters.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

But who could they be playing against her with? She's not going to be running against males. Trust me, I understand your point and it's a good one. I just don't know if it's applicable in her case. We'll see.

On Betfair going into the PE - Life at Ten was 5/2 and Persistently was 69/1.

On the toteboard the next time the two of them meet - Life At Ten will still be a shorter price ... but I think you'll be extremely surprised by how minimal the spread in odds between those two will be. Life At Ten clearly ran the better race of the two on Sunday imo.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Nice based on what? They were all first time starters.

Hype from connections for all that's worth. It will be fun to keep track of. I think the 1 could be any kind.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Hype from connections for all that's worth. It will be fun to keep track of. I think the 1 could be any kind.

Hype from connections isn't worth much to me. West Point likes every horse they own. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Violette to develop a 2 year old.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

On Betfair going into the PE - Life at Ten was 5/2 and Persistently was 69/1.

On the toteboard the next time the two of them meet - Life At Ten will still be a shorter price ... but I think you'll be extremely surprised by how minimal the spread in odds between those two will be. Life At Ten clearly ran the better race of the two on Sunday imo.

We'll see. Like I said, I agree with your general point, but I can't imagine you'll get a nice price on Life At Ten next time, which is what this entire thread is about.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He blew a couple of nice 2 yr olds away in that race. The west point and klaravich colts are both nice and the contessa horse is supposed to be a runner.

Uncle Mo is a freak.

That's a very tough race to use also-rans for perspective since it was all firsters. The Contessa took CRAZY $, but barely left the gate, so it's hard to point to the hype surrounding him as a positive for Mo.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Hype from connections isn't worth much to me. West Point likes every horse they own. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Violette to develop a 2 year old.

Violette has done pretty well with 2 yr olds over the years if I'm not mistaken. Readthefootnotes was pretty strong.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Violette has done pretty well with 2 yr olds over the years if I'm not mistaken. Readthefootnotes was pretty strong.

That's one of how many? He's an exceptional first out trainer, but they rarely do much past October of their 2 year old year. Seriously think about how many 2 year olds he's had in the last 5 years. How many have won a stake at 3?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

That's one of how many? He's an exceptional first out trainer, but they rarely do much past October of their 2 year old year. Seriously think about how many 2 year olds he's had in the last 5 years. How many have won a stake at 3?

Dream rush. Litigation risk will win one this fall

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

That's one of how many? He's an exceptional first out trainer, but they rarely do much past October of their 2 year old year. Seriously think about how many 2 year olds he's had in the last 5 years. How many have won a stake at 3?

Violette had 38 2yo maiden winners from 2005-2009 that have run back for him at 3.

15 have won at 3 and only 2 of those have won stakes (Dream Rush and Summer Doldrums).

For the amount his owners have paid for those horses and for all the very good looking maiden wins they have had, those numbers are just not very good.

There are a few in here that skew the results to make them look better than they are too.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

That's a very tough race to use also-rans for perspective since it was all firsters. The Contessa took CRAZY $, but barely left the gate, so it's hard to point to the hype surrounding him as a positive for Mo.

The wizzard talked the Contessa up and bet him hard to win, if I remember correctly.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Nice based on what? They were all first time starters.

Nice dapples.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

That's a very tough race to use also-rans for perspective since it was all firsters. The Contessa took CRAZY $, but barely left the gate, so it's hard to point to the hype surrounding him as a positive for Mo.

Unfortunately I used this horse...that was a lot of money to pay for him.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Violette had 38 2yo maiden winners from 2005-2009 that have run back for him at 3.

15 have won at 3 and only 2 of those have won stakes (Dream Rush and Summer Doldrums).

For the amount his owners have paid for those horses and for all the very good looking maiden wins they have had, those numbers are just not very good.

There are a few in here that skew the results to make them look better than they are too.

Thanks

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Violette had 38 2yo maiden winners from 2005-2009 that have run back for him at 3.

15 have won at 3 and only 2 of those have won stakes (Dream Rush and Summer Doldrums).

For the amount his owners have paid for those horses and for all the very good looking maiden wins they have had, those numbers are just not very good.

There are a few in here that skew the results to make them look better than they are too.

How can you skew a formulator search?