Public Option

[Riot]

It's baaaack .....




One of my employees hurt her knee the other day. She and her husband could afford and would gladly pay a couple hundred a month for health insurance. Unfortunately, they can't get any for that amount in this state. She needs an ortho consult. She won't get one. Can't really afford the $60-$100 for the exam, and the $250 for rads right now (yes, we called around). I told her to e-mail Mitch McConnell and ask him what to do.

[SOREHOOF]

Opt me out!

[Riot]

You won't be affected unless you'd like to get involved Your insurance payments may decrease without your permission, however

I'm just surprised (really) at this sudden testosterone surge within the Dems. Worry about this fall? Gotta be.

[SOREHOOF]

[quote=Riot]You won't be affected unless you'd like to get involved Your insurance payments may decrease without your permission, however


I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[Riot]

[quote=SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Riot

You won't be affected unless you'd like to get involved Your insurance payments may decrease without your permission, however


I'm not holding my breath on that one.

There are so many plans currently in the works, we'll have to see what falls out. Hopefully something very worthwhile. I'm glad to see the Dems finally hitch it up and embrace reconciliation.

[SOREHOOF]

Why don't we add in a little Tort Reform, and a little Old Fashioned "Competition" into the mix? Naah. The lawyers drive up the price of insurance and blame the insurance cos. Lifes the racket that you make it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's baaaack .....




One of my employees hurt her knee the other day. She and her husband could afford and would gladly pay a couple hundred a month for health insurance. Unfortunately, they can't get any for that amount in this state. She needs an ortho consult. She won't get one. Can't really afford the $60-$100 for the exam, and the $250 for rads right now (yes, we called around). I told her to e-mail Mitch McConnell and ask him what to do.

So you want us to pay?

Look if she can only afford a couple a hundo a month she can't afford premium health insurance. She can still afford catastrophic insurance so go with that and a ace bandage. I want a Bugati but can only afford a Kia so I drive a Kia. Personally I'm shocked YOU as her employer don't provde her insurance. LMAO And don't bother McConnell just call Auntie Obama and see how she is getting care.

PS Obama is really starting to 'listen' to the people and sticking to his guns forcing this through. Well listening to 30 some percent of the people. Just hope the 60 plus percent who don't want this passed remember that come election time. We'll see how that works out. Stop the begging already.

[SOREHOOF]

Obamacare would tell her to get an Ace bandage after she waited weeks to see a Dr.

[SOREHOOF]

If she hurt her knee at work maybe a Comp. case and a lawsuit would be her best bet.

[Riot]

So you want us to pay?

No, dear. She wants to pay. All by herself.

Look if she can only afford a couple a hundo a month she can't afford premium health insurance.

And you don't see that as a problem in the United States? (for a basic plan - nobody is talking "premium")

Personally I'm shocked YOU as her employer don't provde her insurance.

That's at odds with your first sentence. You believe, then, in taking from those that have, and making them provide for others? Rather than people being independent and being able to support themselves?

PS Obama is really starting to 'listen' to the people and sticking to his guns forcing this through. Well listening to 30 some percent of the people. Just hope the 60 plus percent who don't want this passed remember that come election time. We'll see how that works out. Stop the begging already.

I think it will work out wonderfully. Nearly 80% of the public supports the public option. The Dems will - hopefully - give it to them.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, dear. She wants to pay. All by herself.



And you don't see that as a problem in the United States? (for a basic plan - nobody is talking "premium")



That's at odds with your first sentence. You believe, then, in taking from those that have, and making them provide for others? Rather than people being independent and being able to support themselves?



I think it will work out wonderfully. Nearly 80% of the public supports the public option. The Dems will - hopefully - give it to them.

Confucious say "She who parses sentences misses whole point"

80%? How about a link?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Confucious say "She who parses sentences misses whole point"

80%? How about a link?

The only whole point is my buddy Dell doesn't care for anything Obama does

There's parsing, and then there's pointing out the reality. We are currently paying for the uninsured. I don't like paying for other people now. It makes my health care more expensive.

We won't be continuing to pay for them, if they can buy their own basic plans, if they are not dropped by their insurance company for reaching dollar limits, if the insurance companies (see what just happened in California) can't just get rid of alot of their more expensive insured on a whim to make more profit.

Nearly 80%? Geesh, just do a search on "public option poll" - you'll get tons of hits and articles. It's specifically "do you want a public option", however, note that (different than the numbers Dell posted, which are accurate for "health reform")

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The only whole point is my buddy Dell doesn't care for anything Obama does

There's parsing, and then there's pointing out the reality. We are currently paying for the uninsured. I don't like paying for other people now. It makes my health care more expensive.

We won't be continuing to pay for them, if they can buy their own basic plans, if they are not dropped by their insurance company for reaching dollar limits, if the insurance companies (see what just happened in California) can't just get rid of alot of their more expensive insured on a whim to make more profit.

Nearly 80%? Geesh, just do a search on "public option poll" - you'll get tons of hits and articles. It's specifically "do you want a public option", however, note that (different than the numbers Dell posted, which are accurate for "health reform")

Well, I know in California, and probably other states, hospitals go belly up or stop trauma care totally because the state won't pay for it. Is the state to blame because it wouldn't cover expenses either way for trauma wards?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's at odds with your first sentence. You believe, then, in taking from those that have, and making them provide for others? Rather than people being independent and being able to support themselves?


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This might be your tops. Everyone knows if you get educated and find a good job the perc of that is getting insurance. That is how this country works & that is why its important to get an education and find a good job.

There is NO "taking from those who have and makeing them provide to others" in that. He/She works hard to get that employer "what they have". and for that they deserve insurance from the employer.

& that 80% support a public option is a crock of **** riot and you know it. Unless you meant 80% do not support it then maybe you are a little bit closer to reality.

[johnny pinwheel]

unfortunatly, the best thing that happened to me when i got sick was medicare. i could not work , lost coverage and almost lost everything. i sold my house right before the melt down, but that does not matter up here, houses are always hot. the medical bills piled up until i won disability and medicare, it costs like 96 bucks a month and for another 16 i get cdphp supplemental. try getting that out there!!!.....when i was working i was paying to have coverage by the hour! i was in a union with that cadillac coverage and it cost a bundle, plus after i could not work for a year it was shut down. a cat scan and an MRI on my head cost as much as a new car and i was not working or insured......yeah, we are the best, thats the line i've been hearing for about 40 years as the country decends down the toilet.....what company would make a new job here when they have to help supply healthcare? its the dumbest system yet and about 20 years behind..wait until suckers are paying 15 or 16 hundred a month for crappy insurance that does not work

This is going to be one expensive bowel movement.

The pharmaceutical lobby runs things.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

This might be your tops. Everyone knows if you get educated and find a good job the perc of that is getting insurance. That is how this country works & that is why its important to get an education and find a good job.

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

then she should have bought health insurance. You dont HAVE to have a job to have insurance.. you can buy plans on your own.

And its not like I dont think health care should be reformed... it needs to be reformed in some areas. Tort reform alone would make prices a ton more affordable to this stay at home mother. There needs to be over state line competition. pre-exsisting conditions need to be eliminated. You shouldnt be able to drop someone because they got sick... right there is great reform that would dramatically help health care.

Obama and the dems' plan is a piece of shi't. 1 trillion dollars? you do know how much that is? I really think the dems plan in general is just to bankrupt the country. they follow the Bush example to the absolute extreme.

Tell me SCUDS, what has the government EVER done right? and while the hell should any one want our goverment in charge of health care? It will be a disaster, mark my words. They cant to jack shi't right.. and that is including the republicans.

And yes, I am completely against a single payer "socialized" healthcare in this country. Unless of course we all want the quality of care to be flushed right down the shitter, and middle class citizens paying 40% federal taxes cause that is what would happen. Just trust me on that!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

wouldn't medicaid/medicare and ssi be a part of this scenario? i agree, it is a necessity to have coverage.

[Riot]

This might be your tops. Everyone knows if you get educated and find a good job the perc of that is getting insurance. That is how this country works & that is why its important to get an education and find a good job.

Well, the above might be your top

Do you know how rare it is to get insurance, matching 401K, etc type benefits nowadays at any job? (and education has less to do with it than who your employer is) Usually only the largest companies now. It's simply too expensive - employers are cutting benefits, not offering it, middle and smaller companies, it's just out of reach.

That is WHY insurance reform is needed.

There is NO "taking from those who have and makeing them provide to others" in that.

Of course there is - the company has, the employee has not. The company offers to pay money in exchange for a certain measure of work from the employee. Employment is a cut and dried business deal.

Insurance costs are figured into salary cost for an employee. It's not a "perk", it's a big expense for the employer. One could get another $5,000 a year in salary, or one could get insurance offered.

The employee doesn't "deserve" or isn't "entitled" to insurance, any more than they "deserve" a continuous regular raise, or "deserve" access to a credit union, or "deserve" more money, etc.

He/She works hard to get that employer "what they have". and for that they deserve insurance from the employer.

LOL ... no. Employers want to hire people. To get the best people, employers will offer money. Sometimes that money is in the form of "stuff" like insurance. When that stuff is too expensive to offer, employers don't offer it.

& that 80% support a public option is a crock of **** riot and you know it. Unless you meant 80% do not support it then maybe you are a little bit closer to reality.

No, your 80% "do not support the public option" is a complete crock of guessing ****, Lori.

I did go look up the number of "nearly 80%" (which is what I said), and it's 76% of Democrats (not "all", as I said) support it, plus a good portion of independents (over 60%), and less than half of Republicans.

Why do you think only 20% of people support a public option? That's not even remotely close.

Why would anyone NOT want a public option? It doesn't affect anyone other than who wants to be in that pool (if the pool setup, exchanges, is the way it will be done), the pools pay for themselves by the income from the people in it. Everyone saves money by uninsured people being insured, as healthcare costs across the system are lowered, less tax money is used for Medicaid, charity hospital care, etc.