Saratoga Select session 2

[sumitas]

1.6 mil for 146, the Empire Maker/Sluice-Seeking the Gold filly...

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Didn't he only have two starts though? I mean seriously...

I'm sorry... I just get dumbfounded by these high prices. I'm in shock...

well, the high prices are always going to be there.

Yes, Moon only raced twice, but he was brilliant nonetheless. Also, the rest of the family is great as well. It's no big deal- I was disappointed she didn't sell, but in the end it means nothing.

[Betsy]

Mineshaft filly goes for $1.45........yay! I was so nervous about this filly; I'm so glad she sold well. What a great showing for first crop sires Empire Maker, Mineshaft and Sky Mesa..........next year is going to be so much fun, following their offspring.

Can't wait until September when most of the Mineshaft yearlings will be sold.......

[cloud_break]

Originally Posted by Betsy

Mineshaft filly goes for $1.45........yay! I was so nervous about this filly; I'm so glad she sold well. What a great showing for first crop sires Empire Maker, Mineshaft and Sky Mesa..........next year is going to be so much fun, following their offspring.

Can't wait until September when most of the Mineshaft yearlings will be sold.......

That Mineshaft sale seems more about the family as anything else . They haven't put fillies from that family on the market very often. I don't think that was the best individual in the sale.

[Betsy]

They put that filly on the market because they thought she was one of Mineshaft's best yearlings and they wanted to generate some buzz for his September yearlings .......I doubt her price is only due to the family. I don't think anyone is going to spend big bucks on yearlings that don't look the part

[cloud_break]

Originally Posted by Betsy

They put that filly on the market because they thought she was one of Mineshaft's best yearlings and they wanted to generate some buzz for his September yearlings .......I doubt her price is only due to the family. I don't think anyone is going to spend big bucks on yearlings that don't look the part

Actually, horses are registered as "sold" for big prices that don't actually change hands - all the time. It is not uncommon for the owners of a first year stallion to run a weanling or yearling through the ring - have a friend sign the ticket - while never actually parting with the horse.

I was just suggesting that this particular filly was not the absolute best physical specimen at that sale, and if her sale was legit, it had as much to do with getting a filly from that family as anything else.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Originally Posted by sumitas

1.6 mil for 146, the Empire Maker/Sluice-Seeking the Gold filly...

Thats what I'm talking about! The juice for the next Triple Crown winner is 'coming' out of this guy! How did his babies look? Only 12 months until they hit the track - cant wait

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by cloud_break

Actually, horses are registered as "sold" for big prices that don't actually change hands - all the time. It is not uncommon for the owners of a first year stallion to run a weanling or yearling through the ring - have a friend sign the ticket - while never actually parting with the horse.

I was just suggesting that this particular filly was not the absolute best physical specimen at that sale, and if her sale was legit, it had as much to do with getting a filly from that family as anything else.

I agree with this assessment 100%. I wasn't impressed with that particular filly compared to several others that I saw.

[sumitas]

http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0808/171.pdf

171, this filly is 3x3 to Seattle Slew.
the catalogue does not show she is 3x4 to reines de course Lassie Dear.
she is 3x4 to Mr Prospector, 4x5 to Buckpasser.
she has a 4x4 Secretariat/Sir Gaylord cross.
she has 10 lines of La Troienne
she has 3 Somethingroyals

she could very well be the best bred horse in the sale while running the risk of being overbred. her coefficient of inbreeding is 7.29%. anything over 5% needs closer review. which i'm sure the buyers did.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by sumitas

http://www.fasigtipton.com/catalogs/2006/0808/171.pdf

171, this filly is 3x3 to Seattle Slew.
the catalogue does not show she is 3x4 to reines de course Lassie Dear.
she is 3x4 to Mr Prospector, 4x5 to Buckpasser.
she has a 4x4 Secretariat/Sir Gaylord cross.
she has 10 lines of La Troienne
she has 3 Somethingroyals

she could very well be the best bred horse in the sale while running the risk of being overbred. her coefficient of inbreeding is 7.29%. anything over 5% needs closer review. which i'm sure the buyers did.

Which is precisely why I DON'T like her. She's overbred all to hell and I'm not impressed with that.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Which is precisely why I DON'T like her. She's overbred all to hell and I'm not impressed with that.

In my opinion, it was almost as if this breeding took place in hopes of a filly. I know Tesio and others would inbreed intensely into one of their foundation families and hope for a filly... it seems these intensely inbred fillies often made exceptional broodmares when bred to an outcross.

[cloud_break]

[quote=cloud_break]Actually, horses are registered as "sold" for big prices that don't actually change hands - all the time. It is not uncommon for the owners of a first year stallion to run a weanling or yearling through the ring - have a friend sign the ticket - while never actually parting with the horse.

I was just suggesting that this particular filly was not the absolute best physical specimen at that sale, and if her sale was legit, it had as much to do with getting a filly from that family as anything else.[/QUOT

http://www.drf.com/sar/2006/sales.html

looks like a friend signed the ticket.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Balletto

In my opinion, it was almost as if this breeding took place in hopes of a filly. I know Tesio and others would inbreed intensely into one of their foundation families and hope for a filly... it seems these intensely inbred fillies often made exceptional broodmares when bred to an outcross.

Probably a risk I wouldn't want to take. It seems that the ones that are overbred like that are extremely highstrung and fragile. I wouldn't want that in my barn, but what do I know? These people have been doing this for a long time, I'm sure.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Balletto

In my opinion, it was almost as if this breeding took place in hopes of a filly. I know Tesio and others would inbreed intensely into one of their foundation families and hope for a filly... it seems these intensely inbred fillies often made exceptional broodmares when bred to an outcross.

absolutely. her breeding future calls for an outcross, possibly to another intensely inbred stallion. possibly ?

Originally Posted by sumitas

absolutely. her breeding future calls for an outcross, possibly to another intensely inbred stallion. possibly Real Quiet.

I heart you. I was just thinking of Quiet American.

[sumitas]

Real Quiet and Quiet American would not work ...you really have to hypo the two...i've created a temporary name for 171 on pedigreequery.com , "Mineub" for hypo purposes...for fun.

Before I even look I know its too much Mr. P.

[sumitas]

yeah, ya really gotta dodge any Seattle Slew and Mr Prospector lines in a potential sire.

Im not a paying member on that site so I cant look at the hypo, but I knew right away it was too much Mr. P. Although, Quiet American is the first horse that pops in my head when I think of intensely inbred stallions of note.

You know who I love? Seattle Fitz. He should go amazingly well with Mr. P line mares. I think he's a huge bargain for small breeders in KY. Gorgeous animal as well.

[sumitas]

wow, hypoing some ky stallions Wild Zone is close, Vicar, but the search continues...it ain't easy finding a stallion devoid of Mr Prospector Seattle Slew, Secretariat, AND closely inbred to another...Siphon would work.

there are a lot of good stallions out there including Seattle Fitz but you don't see them in the select sales for commercial reasons...i'm looking forward to the preferred sessions coming up at Saratoga and the open session to.