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[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

That is the most idiotic, stupid, ignorant comment i have ever heard.


a [B]1,000,000,000,000,000 [/b]times more idiotic than anything PG1985 ever said.


How many gay people with children do you know?

that's a Zillion!

I've heard gays and non-gays use the "F" word, blacks and non-blacks use the "N" word, etc.... I don't use that kind of language and we wouldn't tolerate it in our home from our kids or from guests whether they be gay, black or whatever.

I could care less what people do in private or, for that matter, in public. I might not care for it, I might think it's funny and laugh, whatever.

Personally, I don't care all that much for 'special language' hate crime legislation. It seems like laws that apply to everyone should be enough. Frankly, I credit/blame lobbyists and other lawyers for the legislation.

I don't think you can legislate tolerance and decency.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

that's a Zillion!

I've heard gays and non-gays use the "F" word, blacks and non-blacks use the "N" word, etc.... I don't use that kind of language and we wouldn't tolerate it in our home from our kids or from guests whether they be gay, black or whatever.

I could care less what people do in private or, for that matter, in public. I might not care for it, I might think it's funny and laugh, whatever.

Personally, I don't care all that much for 'special language' hate crime legislation. It seems like laws that apply to everyone should be enough. Frankly, I credit/blame lobbyists and other lawyers for the legislation.

I don't think you can legislate tolerance and decency.

I couldn't agree more.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I couldn't agree more.

I couldn't agree more than you...and Brian is my best gay friend

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I've been following this pretty closely, and even the whole run-up to it was sick. The "family" groups have been lying about what the bill means, twisting transcripts to make it look like an anti-Christian bill and so forth. They've completely made the bill into something it wasn't to scare people into opposing it.

Andrew Sullivan says it best. It's disgusting, and there is no argument for opposing it outside of simply disliking, or hating gays.

I don't agree with Sullivan, though he may be right.

I think the real reason is the same reason that I found my tongue on the floor the other night as the Repub candidates (save Rudy G.) lined up like trained pigs to state they were in favor of overturning Roe v Wade. I expected at least a few of them to give a little more insight as to why they would support overturning a pretty important law but the short, straight "Yes" response was obviously directed at the Christian far-right.

The same applies to Bush here. It's a shame the Republicans have degenerated into what they've become. It's fairly stunning how quickly they have been able to start chipping away at Roe. Really, how the heck could you expect Bush to do anything different?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

BTW, I prefer "breeder" over "straight".

k, thanx!

That you are!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I couldn't agree more than you...and Brian is my best gay friend

lol. thanks Tim.

Just to reiterate, in case anyone is viewing me as someone who really really LOVES hate-crime legislation. I think it's necessary to a point, but let me be totally totally clear -- I am way less mad about the fact that homosexuals are not going to be covered by hate-crime legislation than I am about the fact that homosexuals are not going to be covered at the very same time that all these other groups are, and that someone from a protected class is going to be the one to make sure it doesn't happen.

Hopefully this thread has not been considered as me shoving my sexuality down anyone's throat, lest I get my skull cracked in at the grocery store an hour from now because I deserve it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I don't agree with Sullivan, though he may be right.

I think the real reason is the same reason that I found my tongue on the floor the other night as the Repub candidates (save Rudy G.) lined up like trained pigs to state they were in favor of overturning Roe v Wade. I expected at least a few of them to give a little more insight as to why they would support overturning a pretty important law but the short, straight "Yes" response was obviously directed at the Christian far-right.

The same applies to Bush here. It's a shame the Republicans have degenerated into what they've become. It's fairly stunning how quickly they have been able to start chipping away at Roe. Really, how the heck could you expect Bush to do anything different?

I think abortion is a far different issue than treating all people with respect...I'm about as far to the left as anyone here, a proud feminist and yet I oppose abortion...that is a very difficult issue for many folks!

[timmgirvan]

The "Violent Crimes Act of 1994" pretty much covers protections to any group! I really don't see that we need another Bill....We could just enforce the ones already on the books!

[Danzig]

i don't really agree with hate crime laws. in my mind, all crimes are hate crimes. i don't know that someone should get less time for killing someone who wasn't a minority. that doesn't make sense. why a difference? murder is murder, assault is assault.
right?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Don't go bunching all straight people in that category...

YEAH! lol what she said.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow, just read through this and all I can say is wow.

you know how i roll.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

you know how i roll.

I showed as much restraint as possible....

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I showed as much restraint as possible....

TRUST MEEEEEE, when I say that I did too. I think the discussion (outside of the outrageous gay-hating comments) hinged on whether hate-crime laws should exist or not, which was a good thing because I can see that argument as valid.

Gay-bashing victims as being at fault for being gay? Nope, still can't see that.

Once again, outside of making excuses for Ms. Leggsy Scarnato, you're the best Somer.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well it is interesting to see different points of view, and to try and understand where they are coming from, no matter how hard it is to understand. I think by living in the Northeast I sort of forget how much different it is in other parts of the country, and how different parts of the country aren't as liberal as the Northeast and especially New York.

I know exactly what you mean, having lived in Portland, Oregon. I got used to it there and then moved back to the Midwest. Outside of Chicago, the entire region is more or less conservative. I had come to just assume that most regions were like Portland (which is basically the west coast version of liberal NE cities) and it was a rude awakening to realize that I had been living in fantasy world out there.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Funny how things are discussed more calmly when a certain someone is off in the corner sulking...

What are you talking about? I'm not sulking; I've just been busy!

[The Bid]

My girlfriend lives in Boston and had a gay roommate in college. Very liberal out that way.