Nobizlikeshowbiz......

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Now I have seen it all!

Too funny!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

whatever you guys say... i said at this point, and mainly ment vs this field.. and you all should know that

Why is Drums of Thunder way over-hyped and NoBiz unbeatable, when Drums Of Thunder was within 1.5 lengths of him last month? Do you know how easy it is to have the result change by a merely 1.5 lengths?

[POINTGIVEN1985]

i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I agree on both points, I have immense respect for Tagg and I just think we're going to see maybe a bit of a breakout performance this week from NoBiz.

Drums of Thunder has been getting some mentions now and his odds may not be appealing. I would still think though that if you like his chances of upsetting this field that you could hook him up in multi-race wagers and get a pretty nice return.

I made my first Derby Future bet this year. I put bets on two horses Drums of Thunder at 41:1 and Zanjero at even larger odds.

At 41/1 I think that is a pretty good play. He has looked pretty solid, and his old man was a stakes winner at 10f (and a consistent 9f horse). I think he may be overbet on Saturday by people trying to beat Nobiz, but he certainly looks like he could be a Derby horse.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?

50? Wow you were so close! He has run 9 times, winning 4, and finishing second two other times.
Man, I wonder why his owners don't just shoot him.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?

Experience! Come on now, you've got way more experience than I do.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i explained why in my last post, first off the layoff, only 4 career start, and there is no possible way tagg had him 100 percent fit, you as a experinced handicapper should know this... also how many times has drums of thunder ran already 50 ?

And Drums of Thunder was coming off a 2 month break after running 8 races in a row. So............?

Kaplan's got fine stats in a 2-Off situation like this too.

So he's still got a right to improve in his second start of his 3yo season, just like Nobiz does, even if it's his 104th start in 8 months.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I made my first Derby Future bet this year. I put bets on two horses Drums of Thunder at 41:1 and Zanjero at even larger odds.

fyi, CRIS (now BookMaker.com) has Drums of Thunder at 60-1. It's odds on Zanjero are poor, though.

--Dunbar

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

fyi, CRIS (now BookMaker.com) has Drums of Thunder at 60-1. It's odds on Zanjero are poor, though.

--Dunbar

Really? I just made a couple of token bets for fun and something to talk about. Out of curiosity, what are the Zanjero odds?

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Really? I just made a couple of token bets for fun and something to talk about. Out of curiosity, what are the Zanjero odds?

I actually thought Adore The Gold's 33-1 in the Future Wager was good enough to bet. (I may well think differently tomorrow afternoon.) A couple days later I saw that he was 100-1 at CRIS! I felt fairly foolish. I should have stuck with just the "All others" bet, which was the one I was/am most confident in anyway.

Zanjero is now 35-1. Adore The Gold is also now 35-1, but was 83-1 a day or two ago when I posted about it here.

There are still some big prices if you like the horse: CP West is 85-1; Forty Grams 170-1; Storm In May 90-1; Twilight Meteor 125-1; BirdBirdIsTheWord 65-1; Imawildandcrazyguy 90-1; Ketchican 75-1.

--Dunbar

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I actually thought Adore The Gold's 33-1 in the Future Wager was good enough to bet. (I may well think differently tomorrow afternoon.) A couple days later I saw that he was 100-1 at CRIS! I felt fairly foolish. I should have stuck with just the "All others" bet, which was the one I was/am most confident in anyway.

Zanjero is now 35-1. Adore The Gold is also now 35-1, but was 83-1 a day or two ago when I posted about it here.

There are still some big prices if you like the horse: CP West is 85-1; Forty Grams 170-1; Storm In May 90-1; Twilight Meteor 125-1; BirdBirdIsTheWord 65-1; Imawildandcrazyguy 90-1; Ketchican 75-1.

--Dunbar

I think my future on Zanjero is at 56 to 1. Which doesn't seem that great. Actually I don't like any of the ones you mentioned either including adore the Gold. Your all/others idea was probably the best bet.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

To answer the intial question, of course he is beatable, but highly unlikely. Scat Daddy isn't going to win and I guess Drums of Thunder will put in a run and his post helps. Adore the Gold intrigued me until he drew out there. My question is what exactly is interesting about Divine Master? He has yet to run a race that would put him within 10 lengths of any of these horses.

Well, there was that one time he didn't lose ground in the stretch.....

I think he's pretty interesting for the bottom rungs of the 8fecta.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah, I mean hey I would love to find an interesting longshot in the race, I just don't see him.

Sorry... he's interesting to me LITERALLY as I saw him go through the OBS ring back in '05 and liked the way he looked. Love his sire too...

You boys should know me by now.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Ahh, gotcha. I was actually hoping you had some sort of angle that I missed because he'll be huge odds tomorrow.

Nope, wish I did. If he looks good in the paddock tomorrow, I might take a chance for shits and grins, though.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nope, wish I did. If he looks good in the paddock tomorrow, I might take a chance for shits and grins, though.

Dude, J, that is your angle.

Send me a text to let me know if he looks good. If he does, then let me know if you're going to bet him.

If you aren't going to, I will post a message from work assuring the entire forum that he is a mortal lock on the win end.

If you are going to, I will remind everyone to leave him off their tickets as he is then gauranteed to run up the track.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Dude, J, that is your angle.

Send me a text to let me know if he looks good. If he does, then let me know if you're going to bet him.

If you aren't going to, I will post a message from work assuring the entire forum that he is a mortal lock on the win end.

If you are going to, I will remind everyone to leave him off their tickets as he is then gauranteed to run up the track.

Geesh, one bad day and I get all this crap? Hey B, how did you do Sunshine Millions weekend again?

HAHAHAHA!!!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Geesh, one bad day and I get all this crap? Hey B, how did you do Sunshine Millions weekend again?

HAHAHAHA!!!

I was on vacation, gambling wins/losses were not of paramount importance to me, or I wouldn't have been eight beers deep by the sixth race.

[randallscott35]

I sure hope he wins tomorrow with some of the talk in this thread. B/c he should beat this field.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Geesh, one bad day and I get all this crap? Hey B, how did you do Sunshine Millions weekend again?

HAHAHAHA!!!

Brian did however display exceptional prowess today with a huge score at gulfstream. Did you catch that one?

He is too modest to mention it, but I will. Its on the big Gulfstream thread in the selections area, along with some other stuff.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I was on vacation, gambling wins/losses were not of paramount importance to me, or I wouldn't have been eight beers deep by the sixth race.

lightweight....