Will You Vote For Him: Giuliani?

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Toss Edwards in there and you've got my list too.

that catholic hating bigot? come on....LOL

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Toss Edwards in there and you've got my list too.

Brian,
For some reason, Edwards bothers me...can't quite put my finger on it but it's a gut thing...I'll pass on him.

[EpBurns]

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Rudy is a Republican.

LMAO! What a mistake that is. Thank you for pointing it out, and with class. I actually have no idea what I was typing, LOL.

Eric

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

I'm not into bashing people for opinions I don't agree with. That's fine if that's what you think. Do I think America is ready for it? No, but personally I am ready for it. With the right candidate, i.e. a woman who is not Hillary and a black candidate with more experience than Obama.

But there are way too many people who won't elect a black candidate and a woman who won't attract female voters isn't winning either.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I'm not into bashing people for opinions I don't agree with. That's fine if that's what you think. Do I think America is ready for it? No, but personally I am ready for it. With the right candidate, i.e. a woman who is not Hillary and a black candidate with more experience than Obama.

But there are way too many people who won't elect a black candidate and a woman who won't attract female voters isn't winning either.

If we wait for "America to be ready", we will wait forever...change is never comfortable and sometimes it comes at great expense. Kennedy "couldn't win" because he was Catholic (I'm old enough to remember all the comments about the pope moving to the White House)...but he did win! If you allow folks to sit back in their comfortable easy chairs and decide they are "ready" for change, it won't happen...but make them take chance, present them with an opportunity and sometimes...folks will surprise you! Gandhi and King succeeded because they appealed to people's conscience and "inner goodness"...present people with a choice and educate them on the importance of eliminating bigotry and who knows? Some folks will never vote for a woman or a black...hopefully they are in the minority...it's way past time we find out!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

If we wait for "America to be ready", we will wait forever...change is never comfortable and sometimes it comes at great expense. Kennedy "couldn't win" because he was Catholic (I'm old enough to remember all the comments about the pope moving to the White House)...but he did win! If you allow folks to sit back in their comfortable easy chairs and decide they are "ready" for change, it won't happen...but make them take chance, present them with an opportunity and sometimes...folks will surprise you! Gandhi and King succeeded because they appealed to people's conscience and "inner goodness"...present people with a choice and educate them on the importance of eliminating bigotry and who knows? Some folks will never vote for a woman or a black...hopefully they are in the minority...it's way past time we find out!

Somer, I am sorry but there are quite a few parts of the country that are far from open-minded. In fact the scary thing is those are the same parts that like to see themselves are righteous and religious.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

I won't bash you but we did come thisclose to having a Jewish Vice President in 2000. A lot of people would say that would never happen either. It almost did.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I won't bash you but we did come thisclose to having a Jewish Vice President in 2000. A lot of people would say that would never happen either. It almost did.

And don't think that that didn't cost the democrats the election, b/c it probably did. Again, don't underestimate the public.

[dr. fager]

I think Al Gore still has my social security in his lock box......whatever that meant.

I see privitization also has come up...oh wait it hasn't. That's what is a joke about these campaigns, In 2K SS was probably the most important issue to me.....now it seems minor. Empty promises to get your vote.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

And don't think that that didn't cost the democrats the election, b/c it probably did. Again, don't underestimate the public.

I thought Katherine Harris cost the Dems the election. Wait, that was 2004.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

And don't think that that didn't cost the democrats the election, b/c it probably did. Again, don't underestimate the public.

That's the problem...politicians underestimate the public! I agree that bigotry and racism still exist...and they permeate large segments of the population. The south is an easy target...but here in central Pa we still have a large KKK representation and frankly, subtle racism/sexism exists everywhere. The only way to fight it is to bring it into the light...and you don't do that by being too cowardly as a political party to challenge the sterotypes...nominate a black and/or woman candidate and give the public the opportunity to surprise those who say it can't be done!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

OK lets cut to the chase I have a question and I don't think there is a right answer nor a wrong answer. Do you think that the country is ready for either a non-white or a women to be president??? it is a simple question and alot will say it doesnt matter as long as she/he is a good politicain. But come on folks it does matter there are still enough people out there that dont think we are ready for either, and I won't lie I don't care what women it is I will not vote for a women for the president of the untied states call me what you will I just won't, as for a non-white I will reserve the right to check him out and make a decision, But I will say I think as a people we might be ready for a women more so then a Black. Just my thoughts. I am sure I will get bashed for the women remark but oh well at least it will spark a debate.

Ep,
You seem serious, but I have doubts.
"a women", "what women it is", "I will not vote for a women for president".
"a Black"......hmmm
Maybe you need to go make another Geico commercial, and then talk to your
grammar teacher, or crawl back under your rock.

ps...Rudy doesn't get my vote. 'Nuf of the guy that put emergency services in a building that collapsed (WTC 7). Such vision!

[SentToStud]

On a related topic, will anyone here NOT vote for Obama based on the sole fact that he smokes a pack of cigarettes a day?

Just curious.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

On a related topic, will anyone here NOT vote for Obama based on the sole fact that he smokes a pack of cigarettes a day?

Just curious.

he quit smoking. up to a pack of nicorette gum a day.

incidentally, ben franklins son didn't talk to him either!

as for the 'i won't vote for a woman or a black' comments--glad to see you consider the candidate and what they have to say, rather than making a judgement on face value.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

On a related topic, will anyone here NOT vote for Obama based on the sole fact that he smokes a pack of cigarettes a day?

Just curious.

S2S,
Too funny! The "anti-smoking vote"..LMFAO!
Consider this, if GDubs liver could hold up after all he put it through, Obama's lungs might. Just as long as he doesn't give the "pace-maker" vp a place on his ticket (ticker).

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

That's the problem...politicians underestimate the public! I agree that bigotry and racism still exist...and they permeate large segments of the population. The south is an easy target...but here in central Pa we still have a large KKK representation and frankly, subtle racism/sexism exists everywhere. The only way to fight it is to bring it into the light...and you don't do that by being too cowardly as a political party to challenge the sterotypes...nominate a black and/or woman candidate and give the public the opportunity to surprise those who say it can't be done!

To me, parts of PA are the south Somer.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

On a related topic, will anyone here NOT vote for Obama based on the sole fact that he smokes a pack of cigarettes a day?

Just curious.

I'm wondering why anyone would even consider it???

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I'm wondering why anyone would even consider it???

Agreed, its funny I hear people bring up Guiliani's marriages, I don't care about that. Smoking is actually a worse example but to each his own. Doesn't impact my voting for him.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Agreed, its funny I hear people bring up Guiliani's marriages, I don't care about that. Smoking is actually a worse example but to each his own. Doesn't impact my voting for him.

Well, if Rudy was unprotected while testing the "waters", could he be the first HIV prez?
Somethin' musta been smokin', Rudy!
Live hard!
good to know your prostate is ok...and your wife says ya don't need viagra.
Does anyone know the std's she's gotten along the way?