A weird trend I've noticed....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

Secretariat also had won prior to his running at Saratoga (first race there was an allowance). I believe AA had won at 5F (MSW) and 5.5F (ALW) at Delaware prior to running in the Sanford. Affirmed, I believe he started at 5.5F although I could definitely be wrong on that one.

Affirmed had already won at least two stakes. He certainly won at least one in NY and the Hollywood Juvenile before shipping to Saratoga and winning the Sanford ( I think it was the Sanford and not the Special ) and Hopeful.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Affirmed had already won at least two stakes. He certainly won at least one in NY and the Hollywood Juvenile before shipping to Saratoga and winning the Sanford ( I think it was the Sanford and not the Special ) and Hopeful.

This I'm sure of to be correct.

Maybe I'm thinking of the NY stakes at 5.5F in his PP's but I can't confirm that, they've eliminated basically every 2YO stake before Saratoga now (I think just the Tremont will remain this year.)

Affirmed was a flat out incredible racehorse, one I would have loved to see in person. Maybe the most underrated of all time, considering the talent he lined up against...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

This I'm sure of to be correct.

Maybe I'm thinking of the NY stakes at 5.5F in his PP's but I can't confirm that, they've eliminated basically every 2YO stake before Saratoga now (I think just the Tremont will remain this year.)

Affirmed was a flat out incredible racehorse, one I would have loved to see in person. Maybe the most underrated of all time, considering the talent he lined up against...

How can they run them when they don't fill? Four for that VERY exciting Tremont last July.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

How can they run them when they don't fill? Four for that VERY exciting Tremont last July.

I almost wrote that in... does this mean they expect 3 this year?

Perhaps they should replace it with the Watertown for NYB fillies 3 and up on turf instead. Those races always overfill!

While we're at it, how about the Plattsburgh for NYB's at 6.5F, and the New Rochelle for NYB's at 5F on turf, and the Binghamton for NYB's at 8F on dirt, and...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

I almost wrote that in... does this mean they expect 3 this year?

Perhaps they should replace it with the Watertown for NYB fillies 3 and up on turf instead. Those races always overfill!

While we're at it, how about the Plattsburgh for NYB's at 6.5F, and the New Rochelle for NYB's at 5F on turf, and the Binghamton for NYB's at 8F on dirt, and...

I'll get back to you after I vomit.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

how many twilite dates will be put in this year at toga..it was a great idea..and the crowd was awesome..on the subject of named stakes..


the glenns falls should be renamed in honor of that pizza joint..

steve and assorted no good trainers and wise guys freqent..

[blackthroatedwind]

I'll check on the twilight dates.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'll check on the twilight dates.

hope they have them early in the meet this year so it's not nearly dark by the last race....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

hope they have them early in the meet this year so it's not nearly dark by the last race....

I do better in darkness.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I do better in darkness.

I heard that about you

[Phalaris1913]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Pre BC 2YOs started racing LONG before Saratoga. Post BC they ran so few races as 2YOs that their form was close to meaningless.

This pretty much nails it.

Used to be, well-intended 2YOs, many of which were future high-class 3YOs, had already been running by this time. Now, well-intended 2YOs, many of which will be hurt long before they even begin to accomplish enough to win a championship at 3, are not running that early.

[Linny]

According to the NYRA calandar (a bastion of mis-information) they have one Twilight card scheuled for the Spa, the same as last year, the Friday of Labor Day weekend.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Linny

According to the NYRA calandar (a bastion of mis-information) they have one Twilight card scheuled for the Spa, the same as last year, the Friday of Labor Day weekend.

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories...date=12/7/2006

The one is for sure and they expect to add at least one more.