Dutrow Filly - Four Races In 12 Days

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by helicopter11

Yes, but the real question is...


















































Did he have a good home?

He was forced to live out his days banging "common mares" in Upper Mexico ...

so ...

I'd have to say no.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Scav

Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

Just read that exchange.

Oh my god.

I had a nice laugh that the person you were arguing with's profile picture is her and her bottle of Aqua Net hairspray.

On one hand, as you said, you have to admire their thought. But most of them are so ignorant about what really goes on that it ruins it. Then again, these are the same people that talk to horses on their facebook pages as if the horses are logging in and reading them.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Just read that exchange.

Oh my god.

I had a nice laugh that the person you were arguing with's profile picture is her and her bottle of Aqua Net hairspray.

On one hand, as you said, you have to admire their thought. But most of them are so ignorant about what really goes on that it ruins it. Then again, these are the same people that talk to horses on their facebook pages as if the horses are logging in and reading them.

I should have known better to even get involved, but I saw the Calzone Prince starting some **** on the NYRA page and I had to start.

Plus, I really believe what I'm saying, they have no business trying to tell people when to run a horse or not run a horse, especially one that was hitting the board. I would actually agree with them probably if the horse was entered in another turf race. What I found hilarious is when I talked about 'enhancing a horse's performance' it completely flew over their head.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Scav

I should have known better to even get involved, but I saw the Calzone Prince starting some **** on the NYRA page and I had to start.

I didn't post anything on the NYRA page --- just got into cat fights about it on the pages of two seperate female friends on my friends list ... both of them were tremendously comical!

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Scav

Look at Saratoga's Facebook page and the comedy I got myself involved with. Talking common sense to some of these people is just impossible

Oh My God

It's amazing what people with not clue whatsoever involve themselves with

[Linny]

No less than Man O' War himself started his career on June 6th, then ran back on the 9th, then the 21st, then the 23rd, then the 5th of July. He started his career with 5 races inside 4 weeks.
He was then rested until early August. In August he ran on the 2nd, 13th, 23rd and 30th. After his loss in the Sanford, (Aug 13) he wasn't sent to the farm, seen by a battalion of vets or handwalked for 6 weeks. He was back in 10 days and never lost again.

How about Old Rosebud, who ended his career with 40 wins from 80 (!) starts. At two he ran in early FEB and early MAR. He was rested and shipped from Juarez to KY where he ran 6 times in May, including starts on the 1st, 17th (layoff?) 19th, 23rd, 26th and 31st. This clearly knocked him for a loop as he only raced 3 times in June. All this was in his 2yo year. Too bad he was ruined and could only go 2 for 3 at 3 including an 8 length win in the Derby. (He was up the track in the Withers, at the time a VERY important race and then was off for almost 3 years but he came back and raced 'til age 11.)

[Calzone Lord]

Here are a few are the claw scratching comments I recieved:

Lori Minkus
Ohh For God's Sake. @ Doug so THIS is your measure of if a trainer is running a horse too frequently, if it gets vanned off the track or not???? Holy Eight Bells. So as long as the horse doesn't suffer a Catastophic injury or Death it's not running too much. Do you fight dogs as well? Realy, I mean what's the differece? They are bred for 1 reason, they are trained, when every last dime is wrung out of them, they are discarded. Tell me Ohhh Wise and compassionate one, just what in Christs name do think will be sound in wind and limb, in tendons, cartilage, bursas, stomach lining, good lord, brain, when this filly finaly crashes? What does this filly DO THEN? Huh? Who do you think will buy this filly when her trainer pounds her into the Ground??? WHERE DOES SHE GO THEN? Can she come live the rest of her life out with you? No? So now that she has given her all on the track is what waits for her a captive bolt to the brain?

Yes -- Lori -- this daughter of Tale of the Cat out of an A. P. Indy mare who made over 80K in her first five dirt races and has run multiple Beyer's in the 80's as a 3yo filly .... surely no one will want her. She is either going to come live with me in Erie or "get a captive bolt to the brain" ... the latter probably being the more humane option.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Here are a few are the claw scratching comments I recieved:




Yes -- Lori -- this daughter of Tale of the Cat out of an A. P. Indy mare who made over 80K in her first five dirt races and has run multiple Beyer's in the 80's as a 3yo filly .... surely no one will want her. She is either going to come live with me in Erie or "get a captive bolt to the brain" ... the latter probably being the more humane option.

Why are you ducking her question about your dog fighting connections?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

So you mean to tell me its only going to get worse then

The game is on the verge of collapse.

The NY politicians are already trying to get their hands on the NYRA franchise (again) before the 1st slot machine is even plugged in
The KY politicians are completely on the take and the KHRA is trying its best to do as much internal damage as possible.
IL racing is getting a stay of execution but the Gov is an idiot and will probably kill the slots bill which means that after the current money runs out...CDI will be looking to sell
IN racing is a 6 month a year mirage that will soon see the state take more of their money. Unlike some other racino states the horseman/breeders aren't very strong polticially
MD racing is relying on Stronach...need I say more?
CA racing is dying a slow, contentious death.
NJ racing is on a 5 year lease with an openly hostile Gov who is firmly in the pocket of Atlantic City
How long can FL racing maintain? Racing at Calder is surely on the chopping block as soon as CDI can dump it. GP is a stronach track. Tampa is great for everyone but the people paying to put on the show. How much longer can that last?
TX racing is dead
LA racing is the definition of regional.
Racing in PA is run at 3 tracks owned by 3 different companies that are actively trying to marginalize racing as much as they can (and aren't even trying to hide it) and will move to eliminate it using the putrid growth as evidence why. Do you really think Penn National gaming (a billion dollar casino company) is stupid enough to not realize the takeout levels are ridiclous?
Racing in OH is beyond minor league and slipping
Racing in WV is fine as long until some libtard attacks the coal business again and the state loots the tracks slot money to pay for something that the reduction in tax revenues doesn't.
Racing in WA and OR is already fairly pointless
Racing in VA is hardly solid
Racing in MA is one step above the fairs which dont even exist anymore
Management at Delaware Park eliminated a $150k stake and didn't even bother to tell anyone. They would be very happy to close up shop and just be a casino/golf course

So the JClub commissions a $2 million dollar study and they tell us we need facebook, rebates and network tv.

Uh yeah it is going to get worse...because the only survivors will be the worst "spacing" offenders...maybe...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

From a race spacing standpoint, was Frankel really the first big one to do it with regularity? "Do it" as in terms of the way everyone does it now?

He was the first to promote it as a sucessful strategy. Around the same time Scott Lake was proclaiming his wild and unexpected sucess was due to trainers "overtraining" their horses. So the guy winning grade 1's every week and the leading claiming trainer were basically saying that their success was largely due to other trainers overracing and overtraining their horses. As I said, Monkey see, Monkey do. Their are a lot of monkeys in this business.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont blame the horses they cant enter themselves. Blame the people like owners many to whom win percentage means everything (more starts=lower win percentage) and trainers that have 6 horses for each condition and convince everyone that they all need 6 weeks between starts. Blame racing secretaries who bend over backwards to help those who least need helping. Blame TVG/HRTV/95% racing press who slobber all over themselves praising the "Spacing races" crew. Monkey see, Monkey do.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Here are a few are the claw scratching comments I recieved:




Yes -- Lori -- this daughter of Tale of the Cat out of an A. P. Indy mare who made over 80K in her first five dirt races and has run multiple Beyer's in the 80's as a 3yo filly .... surely no one will want her. She is either going to come live with me in Erie or "get a captive bolt to the brain" ... the latter probably being the more humane option.

holy eight belles?? good lord.

[Seattleallstar]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He was the first to promote it as a sucessful strategy. Around the same time Scott Lake was proclaiming his wild and unexpected sucess was due to trainers "overtraining" their horses. So the guy winning grade 1's every week and the leading claiming trainer were basically saying that their success was largely due to other trainers overracing and overtraining their horses. As I said, Monkey see, Monkey do. Their are a lot of monkeys in this business.

Mark Shuman?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Mark Shuman?

Mark Shuman what?

[Calzone Lord]

Lake would run his horses -- he just wouldn't train them much I guess... just leave them in the stall and inject away they'd say.

Lake was absolutely miserable with routers. His ROI numbers in routes were totally brutal from a massive sample size.

With speed sprinters -- he was a God.

[Linny]

Dutrow has Slevin entered back on Fri in a tough Opt/75. Let the crying begin.