Gitano Hernando

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I want Sea The Stars to come over so I can bet on like the precieved 3rd or 4th best Euro shipper in the race.

I'm hoping one or two big names from there will really help inflate the prices of the less desireables

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I want Sea The Stars to come over so I can bet on like the precieved 3rd or 4th best Euro shipper in the race.

I'm hoping one or two big names from there will really help inflate the prices of the less desireables

You worked that angle to perfection in the BC Marathon last year.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by mbahadur

Jerry Bailey mentioned on ESPN that Sea of Stars is 10 lengths better than him. I hope Sea of Star's connections watched the Goodwood.

Gosh, if Zenyatta doesn't go in the Classic, what American horse would stand a chance (I don't think Einstein is good enough and Summer Bird has no synthetic form).

If Zenyatta is only 1 length better than Lethal Heat, I don't think she's going to have any chance in the Classic (although I do like Lethal Heat).

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

If Zenyatta is only 1 length better than Lethal Heat, I don't think she's going to have any chance in the Classic (although I do like Lethal Heat).

How can you make such a silly statement? You cant judge margins on this stuff, it plays akin to turf where the finishes are rarely spread out....its part of the reason why Beyer figures are useless comparing horses on this stuff.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

How can you make such a silly statement? You cant judge margins on this stuff, it plays akin to turf where the finishes are rarely spread out....its part of the reason why Beyer figures are useless comparing horses on this stuff.

They've faced each other twice, and she's only beaten her by about that margin twice.

If Lethal Heat was that much worse, she'd have finished 4th or 5th, but she was 2nd by about 1 length again in a G1 race, which legitimatizes her race at Del Mar in my view.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

If Zenyatta is only 1 length better than Lethal Heat, I don't think she's going to have any chance in the Classic (although I do like Lethal Heat).

Its kind of funny, cuz ironically, Lethal Heat has a very good record running against males (and that includes graded company).

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Its kind of funny, cuz ironically, Lethal Heat has a very good record running against males (and that includes graded company).

It looked to me like Zenyatta only ran hard for a few strides. I think the margin is misleading.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Revidere

It looked to me like Zenyatta only ran hard for a few strides. I think the margin is misleading.

I think the 3/4 time to the mile was pretty fast. The race didn't set up in her favor but she overcame it, she had a right to loaf a bit late. Lethal Heat is no slouch for a horse that runs every 7 days.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Its kind of funny, cuz ironically, Lethal Heat has a very good record running against males (and that includes graded company).

True, but I just think whatever European that comes will be much better than Zenyatta if she goes in the Classic.

[PatCummings]

For what its worth, Muhannak and Cesare (a graded winner in Europe) were in the race Gitano Hernando won last time at Wolverhampton, which was indeed a course record.

That being said, the early pace was fast and they just never slowed down in that particular race. The horse who was second to Gitano Hernando, Mia's Boy, is a 5YO who hasn't won a race since May 2008 and had two of his lifetime four wins over all-weather surfaces against lackluster competition.

My chances of betting the Classic went from slim to none today.

[CSC]

Looking forward I'd consider Colonel John at 12/1 and over, from scanning the comments everyone seems to be concentrating on the Euro's that he might slip under the cracks as the most forgotten prep race horse come Classic day. I credit Fallon for outriding Gomez yesterday and a neck would seem to have been the difference, a good result if you plan on playing him as a possible overlay in the Classic, where it's going to come down to the best trip again.

[LARHAGE]

How did Fallon outride Gomez? Colonel John is not a horse that can quicken as well as Gitano H did, Colonel John was even with the other horse and simply couldn't quicken with him, how is that Gomez fault? Is he supposed to jump off and run himself? Give the other horse some credit, he dug in and won, why must there always be some jockeys fault if their horse isn't fast enough?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

How did Fallon outride Gomez? Colonel John is not a horse that can quicken as well as Gitano H did, Colonel John was even with the other horse and simply couldn't quicken with him, how is that Gomez fault? Is he supposed to jump off and run himself? Give the other horse some credit, he dug in and won, why must there always be some jockeys fault if their horse isn't fast enough?

I was referring to very minute differences in winning races, it wasn't a bad ride by Gomez, he probably wanted to stay out of trouble based on what happened to C John in his last race; however in this context of comparing the 2 rides Fallon rode the better race. He saved ground and was able to split horses where Gomez chose to take an outer path. This was the difference as it looked liked Fallon just had abit more horse at the end.

[brockguy]

yay - my bet the euros strategy worked well yesterday. Got Gitando at 27-1. Lovin' it.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by brockguy

yay - my bet the euros strategy worked well yesterday. Got Gitando at 27-1. Lovin' it.

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