Manny Robbed

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Oh, hell yea, it's soooo rare for a white ump to be biased against a minority player with a history of being "mouthy." That ugly thing with Bradley at 1st base didn't just come out of nowhere. These guys talk about this stuff the next day at breakfast, or lunch. Look at it objectively, and you'll see what really happened. I don't think it's just random unfortunate error(like da Cannon.) What I hate is not necessarily the natural bias in people. People with Manny's personality type are almost always loved by those close to them, and disliked by most everyone else. What I hate is when professionals allow themselves to act on their own bias. The chances that he doesn't like Manny are high. Manny argued with him earlier about a borderline pitch. The bases are loaded with 2 outs in the 5th inning. The Met fans would erupt if the hated Manny could be called out on strikes in this situation (it would be sweet.) Dodgers are already ahead 5-0 against a team that's struggling offensively. I just think the ump thought he'd give himself(as well as his buddies, n' the fans around the league) a thrill. I do not think he just was unfortunately blind on this one pitch. It wasn't a close pitch. He probably thought it was close enough he could get away with it, but it wasn't. I have a history of giving the accused guy the benefit of the doubt in these situations(results in Black rage being focused full force upon moi.) Why it happened is not nearly as important as it seems. Fact is he butchered the call badly. Should be treated like any other big mistake at work. Cannon tends to think those with the higher status jobs should get a softer cushion when they don't perform their jobs well. I've seen it a lot with Conservatives. It's quite a phenomenon. Fact is the ump is either biased, or inept. Fact is that baseball tolerates people like this, because a lot of people just like the arguments in baseball. They like that more than a properly called game. Obviously, people have varying tastes.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1331

I do know is that Hirschbeck has absolutely no incentive to act with the intent suggested by Cohen. Umpires are constantly reviewed, and it would be bad enough for Hirschbeck that he missed these calls, period, let alone that he purposely missed them in an attempt to send a message. Actions like that tend to result in fines and discipline, not high praise.

The PITCHf/x data further confirms the outside location of this controversial pitch. While serving as home plate umpire this season, with right handed hitters up to bat, Hirschbeck has had to make a call (IE - ball wasn’t fouled off, whiffed at, or put in play) on 373 different pitches with similar horizontal location to the Manny pitch. He called strikes on 32 of these pitches, several of which were further outside than the slider to Ramirez. Hirschbeck hasn’t missed calls on pitches like this that often but the Ramirez call certainly wasn’t an isolated incident.

Does he harbor ill will towards Ramirez? I don’t know. I doubt Gary Cohen knows either. If Yuniesky Betancourt or some other hacktastic hitter with a poor eye were called out on a pitch like this, everyone would question the call for thirty-four seconds and then move on with their lives. Since it is Manny we’re talking about here, the same pitch suddenly balloons into a potential conspiracy with umpires “fixing” at bats to shun a player whose actions they look down on. It’s possible, no doubt, but it seems like a far reach that better fits person opinions on what should happen rather than what actually happened.

If this umpire called strikes on 32 pitches that were even further outside than the pitch in question, then this umpire is consistently bad and he needs to tighten his strike-zone. That was pretty much my point, that some of these umpires are calling strikes on pitches that are way outside.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh, hell yea, it's soooo rare for a white ump to be biased against a minority player with a history of being "mouthy." That ugly thing with Bradley at 1st base didn't just come out of nowhere. These guys talk about this stuff the next day at breakfast, or lunch. Look at it objectively, and you'll see what really happened. I don't think it's just random unfortunate error(like da Cannon.) What I hate is not necessarily the natural bias in people. People with Manny's personality type are almost always loved by those close to them, and disliked by most everyone else. What I hate is when professionals allow themselves to act on their own bias. The chances that he doesn't like Manny are high. Manny argued with him earlier about a borderline pitch. The bases are loaded with 2 outs in the 5th inning. The Met fans would erupt if the hated Manny could be called out on strikes in this situation (it would be sweet.) Dodgers are already ahead 5-0 against a team that's struggling offensively. I just think the ump thought he'd give himself(as well as his buddies, n' the fans around the league) a thrill. I do not think he just was unfortunately blind on this one pitch. It wasn't a close pitch. He probably thought it was close enough he could get away with it, but it wasn't. I have a history of giving the accused guy the benefit of the doubt in these situations(results in Black rage being focused full force upon moi.) Why it happened is not nearly as important as it seems. Fact is he butchered the call badly. Should be treated like any other big mistake at work. Cannon tends to think those with the higher status jobs should get a softer cushion when they don't perform their jobs well. I've seen it a lot with Conservatives. It's quite a phenomenon. Fact is the ump is either biased, or inept. Fact is that baseball tolerates people like this, because a lot of people just like the arguments in baseball. They like that more than a properly called game. Obviously, people have varying tastes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pFQM...eature=related

Busted!!!!

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1331

I do know is that Hirschbeck has absolutely no incentive to act with the intent suggested by Cohen. Umpires are constantly reviewed, and it would be bad enough for Hirschbeck that he missed these calls, period, let alone that he purposely missed them in an attempt to send a message. Actions like that tend to result in fines and discipline, not high praise.

The PITCHf/x data further confirms the outside location of this controversial pitch. While serving as home plate umpire this season, with right handed hitters up to bat, Hirschbeck has had to make a call (IE - ball wasn’t fouled off, whiffed at, or put in play) on 373 different pitches with similar horizontal location to the Manny pitch. He called strikes on 32 of these pitches, several of which were further outside than the slider to Ramirez. Hirschbeck hasn’t missed calls on pitches like this that often but the Ramirez call certainly wasn’t an isolated incident.

Does he harbor ill will towards Ramirez? I don’t know. I doubt Gary Cohen knows either. If Yuniesky Betancourt or some other hacktastic hitter with a poor eye were called out on a pitch like this, everyone would question the call for thirty-four seconds and then move on with their lives. Since it is Manny we’re talking about here, the same pitch suddenly balloons into a potential conspiracy with umpires “fixing” at bats to shun a player whose actions they look down on. It’s possible, no doubt, but it seems like a far reach that better fits person opinions on what should happen rather than what actually happened.

I can't believe is the fact that Prospectus actually posted this article.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

It wasn't a hard call. They say he's had some other bad outside strike calls. That may be, but we can't comment on those we haven't seen. Some pitches are simply harder to judge than others. We all saw how easy this particular pitch was to call a ball. It was a very, very easy ball to call. I really think it's a reach to think anybody (who's watched much baseball at all) would honestly call that a strike. Either way, something has to be done. I don't want the same guy costing a team a game. The bad calls at 1st base should be enough excitement for the bored people.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh, hell yea, it's soooo rare for a white ump to be biased against a minority player with a history of being "mouthy." That ugly thing with Bradley at 1st base didn't just come out of nowhere. These guys talk about this stuff the next day at breakfast, or lunch. Look at it objectively, and you'll see what really happened. I don't think it's just random unfortunate error(like da Cannon.) What I hate is not necessarily the natural bias in people. People with Manny's personality type are almost always loved by those close to them, and disliked by most everyone else. What I hate is when professionals allow themselves to act on their own bias. The chances that he doesn't like Manny are high. Manny argued with him earlier about a borderline pitch. The bases are loaded with 2 outs in the 5th inning. The Met fans would erupt if the hated Manny could be called out on strikes in this situation (it would be sweet.) Dodgers are already ahead 5-0 against a team that's struggling offensively. I just think the ump thought he'd give himself(as well as his buddies, n' the fans around the league) a thrill. I do not think he just was unfortunately blind on this one pitch. It wasn't a close pitch. He probably thought it was close enough he could get away with it, but it wasn't. I have a history of giving the accused guy the benefit of the doubt in these situations(results in Black rage being focused full force upon moi.) Why it happened is not nearly as important as it seems. Fact is he butchered the call badly. Should be treated like any other big mistake at work. Cannon tends to think those with the higher status jobs should get a softer cushion when they don't perform their jobs well. I've seen it a lot with Conservatives. It's quite a phenomenon. Fact is the ump is either biased, or inept. Fact is that baseball tolerates people like this, because a lot of people just like the arguments in baseball. They like that more than a properly called game. Obviously, people have varying tastes.

You are retarded. So now the white umps are racially biased? Oh boy...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

I can't believe is the fact that Prospectus actually posted this article.

Why? Should they just start to make things up like the rest of the sports media to create a good story? The guy make a good point and backs it up with facts. Or you can just keep believing the umps are cheating against Manny and the Yankees.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If this umpire called strikes on 32 pitches that were even further outside than the pitch in question, then this umpire is consistently bad and he needs to tighten his strike-zone. That was pretty much my point. That some of these umpires are calling strikes on pitches that are way outside.

They always have. Just now it is easy to watch and even track it. Nothing has changed except the way the game is covered now. The baseball strike zone is called much more accurately that holding is in football.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They always have. Just now it is easy to watch and even track it. Nothing has changed except the way the game is covered now. The baseball strike zone is called much more accurately that holding is in football.

Well, LA DE DA DA!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are retarded. So now the white umps are racially biased? Oh boy...

Trig is taken, and don't call me ALGEBRA. Well, I watch it almost every day. Tame acting brothas like Pujols n' O DOG etc. get a lot more calls than the mouthy or flashy guys(Kemp, Manny, or Bradley.) Anything borderline goes against Kemp. If guys just throw him outside junk, then they will easily get him out. If they just get close, then the umps will help them a lot. Then, Kemp thinks he has to swing at anything close outside.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They always have. Just now it is easy to watch and even track it. Nothing has changed except the way the game is covered now. The baseball strike zone is called much more accurately that holding is in football.

I agree with you. I wasn't suggesting that anything had changed. And I agree with you about football. They can call holding on every play if they want.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why? Should they just start to make things up like the rest of the sports media to create a good story? The guy make a good point and backs it up with facts. Or you can just keep believing the umps are cheating against Manny and the Yankees.

Not saying anything against the article.

I know Eric Seidman writes for other publications. It wouldn't have shocked me to see this in article in those other publications. It just shocked me that the article was in Prospectus, when Prospectus usually focuses on the players, not on in-game issues with players and umpires (unless a suspension occurred, then a short note stating that said player was suspended for bumping into or whatever)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz8tz...e=channel_page

******(moi) thinks if ya put a singing chorus in at 1:07 or so, then this be money. Just need the crybaby rapper dude to do half of that 1st minute in English.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9g2szHsoz0&feature=fvw

I heard that Chuck sings the chorus(starts at 01:30) from this (when he gets a win.)

[Cannon Shell]

Scuds needs a couple of these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB6KM...eature=related

[Gander]

Scuds:

Will you watch the Mannyless all star game tonight?

I know you watch a lot of ball and are an objective guy, what are your thoughts about Albert Pujols? Is he almost a perfect player? Is he the best player to come along in a long time?

Alas, do you think the All Star game outcome should decide who gets Home Field advantage in the WS?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gander

Scuds:

Will you watch the Mannyless all star game tonight?

I know you watch a lot of ball and are an objective guy, what are your thoughts about Albert Pujols? Is he almost a perfect player? Is he the best player to come along in a long time?

Alas, do you think the All Star game outcome should decide who gets Home Field advantage in the WS?

Scuds ONLY watches Dodgers games though he will on occasion watch the Angels in hopes that Lackey pitches poorly or a Giants game hoping his mancrush Eugenio Velez gets in. Of course since he is hitting .194 he does not see much light.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Scuds ONLY watches Dodgers games though he will on occasion watch the Angels in hopes that Lackey pitches poorly or a Giants game hoping his mancrush Eugenio Velez gets in. Of course since he is hitting .194 he does not see much light.

I will definately be watching the World Champion Phillies vs. the AL all stars tonight. GO PHILS!!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I will definately be watching the World Champion Phillies vs. the AL all stars tonight. GO PHILS!!

Kyle Drabek looked really sharp in the futures game.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Kyle Drabek looked really sharp in the futures game.

Yes... I will admit that I'll be upset if they trade our entire minor league for Roy Halladay.. We have some amazing talent down there right now (Drabeck may be the best), and it would be a shame to part with our best young men for someone on the wrong side of 30. Granted Halladay is probably the best pitcher out there.. I dont think he'd be worth what we'd have to give up.