Breeders' Cup; some thoughts

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Which doesn't really matter as the two Euro's that ran 1-2 in the Classic......were both Kentucky breds.

that can't be, king. we produce second class turfers over here, remember?
all the ladies who won on friday were from ky as well...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Nice, a guy from England using French racing as his defense. How many of these races have a million dollar purse let alone $25 million over the two days?
Not to mention that swamp that they run over.

Chuck the purse is completely irrelevant get a grip?
WHO THE F CARES ABOUT THE FN PURSE THE MOSS'S THE PHIPPS THE TABORS OH THE WEBBER? CHUCK ONLY THE TRAINERS CARE ABOUT THE PURSE

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

Being English I'm unable to appreciate the merits of a French meeting, is that what you mean? That's sound logic.
Historical cache vs multi-million purses? You'd have Dubai World Cup day as the best meeting of the year I assume?
How did the track go down at Monmouth last year? At least with this turf, you don't have to go replacing and relaying it all the time.

Listen you said that you had an event similar to the breeders Cup. You dont. The races you mentioned are nice races but hardly the equal of the Breeders Cup especially in terms of monetary value. You yourself noted that you did not know much about the participants yet managed to rundown each race and the event as a whole. The Dubai World Cup is a pretty good meeting no?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck the purse is completely irrelevant get a grip?
WHO THE F CARES ABOUT THE FN PURSE THE MOSS'S THE PHIPPS THE TABORS OH THE WEBBER? CHUCK ONLY THE TRAINERS CARE ABOUT THE PURSE

Please dont send this to Churchill Downs....they may actually believe it and stop paying purses

[Mike]

My thoughts:

Synthetic payoffs were low, except for the Classic and the Marathon, the longest races, won by Euro shippers.Conversely,all three sprint races were won by U.S. based horses, with a horse for course, Desert Code, pulling the biggest upset in the turf sprint.

Frontrunners fared very poorly on the Pro Ride.

The grass/synthetic positive correlation was true to form this weekend at Santa Anita

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck the purse is completely irrelevant get a grip?
WHO THE F CARES ABOUT THE FN PURSE THE MOSS'S THE PHIPPS THE TABORS OH THE WEBBER? CHUCK ONLY THE TRAINERS CARE ABOUT THE PURSE

Trophies were damn heavy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Chuck the purse is completely irrelevant get a grip?
WHO THE F CARES ABOUT THE FN PURSE THE MOSS'S THE PHIPPS THE TABORS OH THE WEBBER? CHUCK ONLY THE TRAINERS CARE ABOUT THE PURSE

you do realize there are a lot more owners without those kind of bucks than with, right? and then the jock, the groom, etc. it's not as tho those kinds of purses are handed out all day, every day, at every track.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Mike

My thoughts:

Synthetic payoffs were low, except for the Classic and the Marathon, the longest races, won by Euro shippers.Conversely,all three sprint races were won by U.S. based horses, with a horse for course, Desert Code, pulling the biggest upset in the turf sprint.

Frontrunners fared very poorly on the Pro Ride.

The grass/synthetic positive correlation was true to form this weekend at Santa Anita

The sad thing is that we have to wait 2 years for true dirt championships. Bringing this back to the pro-crap is a disgrace.

[CSC]

Frankie Dettori is a big day rider, Johnny Murtagh was not.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by CSC

Frankie Dettori is a big day rider, Johnny Murtagh was not.

Murtagh really $hit the bed with his ride on SoF. K Sheas' was just as bad. Ive never seen a horse sit right off their own "rabbit". I know they ride differently over in Europe, but noone is gonna win a BC race run over here sitting up close and being put under an all out ride 5f from home.

Conduit would've have been 25-1 in Europe to bet SoF and Eagle Mountain.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Murtagh really $hit the bed with his ride on SoF. K Sheas' was just as bad. Ive never seen a horse sit right off their own "rabbit". I know they ride differently over in Europe, but noone is gonna win a BC race run over here sitting up close and being put under an all out ride 5f from home.

Conduit would've have been 25-1 in Europe to bet SoF and Eagle Mountain.

Conduit was favored with the European bookmakers actually

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Scav

Conduit was favored with the European bookmakers actually

I guess I need to start paying attn... Sure didnt look that comparable on paper to me. They bet him early and often, so I guess they knew what they had. SoF and Eagle just looked alot better on paper.

[The Bid]

Only the sharpies had that one Vol

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Only the sharpies had that one Vol

Were they the same sharpies that bet Munnings going 2 turns and trying the poly??

[The Bid]

yes same sharpies

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by CSC

Frankie Dettori is a big day rider, Johnny Murtagh was not.

Frankie's first two rides on Saturday were not good at all; especially on Sixties Icon...

[Hwjb]

Originally Posted by CSC

Frankie Dettori is a big day rider, Johnny Murtagh was not.

Very difficult to argue that position judged on the evidence of this season as a whole. Murtagh has merely had fewer winners this back-end as O'Brien's horses have gone over the top.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Frankie's first two rides on Saturday were not good at all; especially on Sixties Icon...

I think his ride on 60's Icon looked a little worse than what it really was, I can see why you would think that however it seemed the horse was not as full of run as Trevor called, I also disagree with the analysis that he was stopped on the turn. He just couldn't hit the hole when Frankie got him out and that is usually a sign he had no horse. What's wrong with the ride on Diabolical?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Hwjb

Very difficult to argue that position judged on the evidence of this season as a whole. Murtagh has merely had fewer winners this back-end as O'Brien's horses have gone over the top.

Any chance Kinane gets back with Coolmore? He is clearly better than Murtagh in my opinion.

[GPK]

Not really defending Murtagh, but if you watch some of SoF races, while he is a very nice horse, he is pretty one paced. Not real impressive in the turn of foot department.