Labor Violations at Saratoga

[fpsoxfan]

At least these folks are willing to work. It's amazing how many natural born riff-raff just sit on their fat asses and wait for their welfare check. Which reminds me, New Orleans is about five days away from getting whacked again, do you think some of these folks might want to think about leaving this time?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

At least these folks are willing to work. It's amazing how many natural born riff-raff just sit on their fat asses and wait for their welfare check. Which reminds me, New Orleans is about five days away from getting whacked again, do you think some of these folks might want to think about leaving this time?

Are you refering to any place special???

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Are you refering to any place special???

Gee.....I wonder..... Had a few at the PUB tonight. Nice place.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Gee.....I wonder..... Had a few at the PUB tonight. Nice place .

Yes, but for how long................

[Danzig]

[quote=Cardus]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know the process of getting a visa to work here, since i'm not from another country, and never needed to get permission to work here.
but there are h2-a and h2-b programs for foreign workers to be able to get work here for a specified amount of time.
as for my comment on the 'witchhunt mentality'....i meant that in regards to the fact that many automatically assume that if someone looks mexican, well by god they must be here illegally. a lot of assuming going on as to who belongs here, and who doe

Yes, those are nonimmigrant classifications (H2-A and H2-B).

As for those who appear to be illegal "on their face," so to speak, if I were witchhunting illegals, I'd certainly investigate hispanics. That group comprises an overwhelming percentage of illegal aliens in the United States. I'll excuse law enforcement agents and officers who don't zone in on Scandanavians.

yes, i understand that we have illegals, and that the majority come from south of the border. my issue is with everyone looking at every person who appears to be mexican and shouting 'INS'.
but then, where i live, racism is rampant on so many levels. it's sickening.

[The Bid]

Where do you live Danzig, Rwanda?

[Mag]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Which reminds me, New Orleans is about five days away from getting whacked again, do you think some of these folks might want to think about leaving this time?

Why leave when they can sit on their asses and collect all over again? And this time plan it better so they can go to Vegas or on a cruise?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Where do you live Danzig, Rwanda?

arkansas

funny thing is, people shout something must be done about illegal immigrants. but what? it's very simplistic to say get them all out of here.
reality is that many think (with good reason) that social security has been kept solvent all these years due to the pay ins by illegals, who then can't collect-as the social security #'s they give are bogus. then there's the fact that the labor market is already tight, growers, planters, farmers are already scrambling for labor. in this area, pine is a big crop-and they can't plant enough trees as the # of people filing for worker visas has dropped dramatically.
so, produce costs will skyrocket, inflation has already grown by leaps and bounds due to gasoline-add labor in on top of it.
so yeah, the pollyannic view is do away with illegals. it sounds good in theory. now put it in practice, and see what happens.

i don't think that immigration violation is that huge for this country. we've got a lot of larger issues to deal with, but people get sidetracked with stuff like this.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mag

Why leave when they can sit on their asses and collect all over again? And this time plan it better so they can go to Vegas or on a cruise?

people say new orleans wants to rebuild--but who there will do it? there are generations who have lived there (and elsewhere) who know nothing but living on govt subsidies. they know nothing about building, let alone rebuilding. all the doers are elsewhere, doing it where they moved to.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cardus

i don't know the process of getting a visa to work here, since i'm not from another country, and never needed to get permission to work here.
but there are h2-a and h2-b programs for foreign workers to be able to get work here for a specified amount of time.
as for my comment on the 'witchhunt mentality'....i meant that in regards to the fact that many automatically assume that if someone looks mexican, well by god they must be here illegally. a lot of assuming going on as to who belongs here, and who doe

Yes, those are nonimmigrant classifications (H2-A and H2-B).

As for those who appear to be illegal "on their face," so to speak, if I were witchhunting illegals, I'd certainly investigate hispanics. That group comprises an overwhelming percentage of illegal aliens in the United States. I'll excuse law enforcement agents and officers who don't zone in on Scandanavians.

Yes, I'm sure you are on the right track. All those rascally illegal alien latinos picking fruit for Dole and American Brands and cutting lawns or cleaning homes for WASPY Scandanavians are most definitely the big problem these days.

With all these illegal latins running around with easily obtained garden shears and cleaning solutions, it is a wonder that whenever a kid shoots up a high school or college with an automatic weapon, it is only a zillion times more likely to be a WASPY sort than a latino kid.

Thank God they haven't taken that over too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

Well we don't live in a 3rd world country so that is why we have Labor Laws...there should be NO reason why they can't be followed and Trainers should not think they don't have to follow them...I guess every trainer feels they are entitled to driving a BMW in New York, so they stiff their workers....if the help is no good why don't you just fire them? I would think if you did pay the help the correct amount they would make more money and in turn maybe work harder...just a thought

Give me a break. You try to read through these laws and how to properly interpret them then give me your opinion. This isnt about people not being paid for their work, it is about the time schedule and the hours that are needed. It is too bad that taking care of horses is a job that takes considerable amounts of time and effort but no one drafted anyone into these positions. These guys make a lot more than they would doing something else that they are qualified to do (like washing dishes) and the immigrant workers flock to the track because the opportunity is much better than in the fields or in the restaurant business. And by the way you thoughts about paying them more and having them work harder is not only bunk it doesnt work, believe me i've tried.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

"Migrant visas?" Please define "migrant visa" and describe the process of obtaining one.

So, enforcing immigration and labor laws is a "witchhunt mentality?" I hope that law enforcement everywhere engages in "witchhunt mentality" more often, particularly in this area of widespread illegality.

Actually the amount of visas has been cut by the govt because of political reasons. The truth is that backside jobs are considered too hard by most americans and the ones that we have often are unemployable elsewhere. If you believe that the workforce picking fruit and CA and probably cleaning your building in NY are 100% in compliance with immigration and labor laws then maybe you would be interested in purchasing that bridge that connects manhattan and brooklyn?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

Well we don't live in a 3rd world country so that is why we have Labor Laws...there should be NO reason why they can't be followed and Trainers should not think they don't have to follow them...I guess every trainer feels they are entitled to driving a BMW in New York, so they stiff their workers....if the help is no good why don't you just fire them? I would think if you did pay the help the correct amount they would make more money and in turn maybe work harder...just a thought

farm work is farm work...it is backbreaking and the hours suck, and the profit margins are usually very slim....so guess what, the wages suck too. I can't tell you haow many jobs I have had in the horse industry (thoroughbred and otherwise) where I have put in 70-80 hour work weeks and gotten paid for 48 (the standard horse work week). And I'm not hispanic and I've done it for minimum wage. It's the nature of the beast, and anyone who enters any farming situation knows what they are in for...the animals eat first, sleep first and get better health care etc....
the old George Carlin line applies here "most people work just hard enough not to get fired and get paid just enough not to quit.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Danzig

people say new orleans wants to rebuild--but who there will do it? there are generations who have lived there (and elsewhere) who know nothing but living on govt subsidies. they know nothing about building, let alone rebuilding. all the doers are elsewhere, doing it where they moved to.

What an absurd and wrong generalization. Just which group of people are you referring to when you say, "generations?"

The unemployment rate in greater New Orleans is 4.1%. Of similar size, or even larger size metro areas, the lowest is Oklahoma City at 4.0%.

Yeah, right.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

What an absurd and wrong generalization. Just which group of people are you referring to when you say, "generations?"

The unemployment rate in greater New Orleans is 4.1%. Of similar size, or even larger size metro areas, the lowest is Oklahoma City at 4.0%.

Yeah, right.

I have to say that any official numbers that come out of NO post katrina are very suspect. There are thousands of people living there who are virtually undocumented and any trip to any place of local govt there will show you that no one has any handle on exactly who or what is going on. Which is exactly how they like it.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have to say that any official numbers that come out of NO post katrina are very suspect. There are thousands of people living there who are virtually undocumented and any trip to any place of local govt there will show you that no one has any handle on exactly who or what is going on. Which is exactly how they like it.

I would say exactly the opposite. You have to know the Feds have a handlle on what's going on, at least more so than, say, Detroit. Too late to save the drownied masses, but better late than ever.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I would say exactly the opposite. You have to know the Feds have a handlle on what's going on, at least more so than, say, Detroit. Too late to save the drownied masses, but better late than ever.

I was there, no one knows anything.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was there, no one knows anything.

Depends who you hang with?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Depends who you hang with?

Yeah i only hang with the high and mighty...
Actually it was the locals who told me of the chaos. Virtually everything in the govt there is screwed up. They let guys walk out of jail everyday because they cant get hearings in time because of so many paperwork problems. The hispanic population has risen dramatically as they move from Texas looking for the cash construction and cleanup jobs.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah i only hang with the high and mighty...
Actually it was the locals who told me of the chaos. Virtually everything in the govt there is screwed up. They let guys walk out of jail everyday because they cant get hearings in time because of so many paperwork problems. The hispanic population has risen dramatically as they move from Texas looking for the cash construction and cleanup jobs.

You got to keep an eye on the hispanics. They are very chaotic.