Best Pal Inquiry

[SCUDSBROTHER]

HOLLYWOOD PARK
Sat, May 10th, 2008 - Race 7
Senorita S. (3) Purse: $100,000 Type: Stakes, 3yo Distance: 1M Surface: Turf

^^^^^ If you're running slower than somebody else, then the best way to stop an opponent is for you both to have to run sideways. Delay,delay,delay. The best way to do that is to threaten a horse with contact if they were to even consider running straight. Then, if they don't go by, they are a hanger, and "I didn't make that much contact." No, but you threatened them with contact if they kept on their straight path. See a lil gangsta girl in action. She only weighs like 500-600 pounds. A horse should be allowed to run straight. That is the way to catch a horse. Once you have to start running sideways(to avoid someone who comes over on you,) you are not gunna run as fast as you would if you were allowed to run straight. Sweeter Still seems to understand the science of physics quite well, and the stewards are ignorant about it.

[smartyalex]

www.drf.com/news/article/97225.html

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by smartyalex

www.drf.com/news/article/97225.html

I have no doubt Bejarano could kick that bus driver's butt pretty easily. He would easily have gotten a decent check if he didn't try to cheat the best horse out of a win. He tried it one time. That's enough. You can't follow him back in like that. People just don't realize how obvious it is that he tried twice to keep the best horse from gettin' through. Btch, next time, just take your 2nd place jock's check. It's the right call, but the problem is that they usually ignore this activity when a jock they like is doing it. That's why people are saying it's a bad call. They've seen them ignore this before. No, you shouldn't be allowed to block horses the way the leading car in the Daytona 500 is allowed to block cars. He forced him to run wide, and then only made an effort to come inside after he saw the best horse make a big move inside. They just can't allow that. I don't know why you think they should allow that, but you're wrong. Where you're really wrong is thinking they would ever let Espinoza do it. This guy is on a choke collar. Simple as that(a one foot leash with a choke collar.) I don't care how badly he gets fouled, you're chances of getting put up aren't good now.They weren't good before, but they are gunna pay him back. You think they want to take the winner of a stakes down? They don't want to have to do that. They hate that btch for making them do that. Think about it before you play him, because you will get nothing from the stewards....Nothing!!

[CSC]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

There is zero doubt in my mind that he knew exactly where Bejarano was the whole way, and he knew Bejarano had the best horse. No doubt in my mind that he knew the 9 went inside of him, and then(and only then) did he start with the right hand whipping. Espinoza was doing what other guys do when they don't have the horse to win fairly. The problem with this whole situation is that they normally ignore these tactics, and all the sudden(when the cast of characters is a certain way,) they have a problem with riding this way. People, ya momma smoking a pound of weed a week could be more consistent and objective than this bunch. Don't expect Gomez to get taken down for doing the same thing(ain't gunna happen.)

I didn't really want to get into this anymore, however I watched the replay again/head on and to me there was plenty of blame that goes both ways for both riders. I doubt if Court's horse was to the inside of Bejarano's that there would have been a dq'd. My opinion is yes perhaps Victor tried to intimidate Bejarano's mount but bejarano was not clear, he chose that route where he could have stayed wide. Yes I know Victor's horse drifted however if a horse was to be taken down everytime they drifted, everyone here would probably stop playing this game. It's done and over, I suspect the consensus will be split on this topic. I hope we can move on.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by CSC

I didn't really want to get into this anymore, however I watched the replay again/head on and to me there was plenty of blame that goes both ways for both riders. I doubt if Court's horse was to the inside of Bejarano's that there would have been a dq'd. My opinion is yes perhaps Victor tried to intimidate Bejarano's mount but bejarano was not clear, he chose that route where he could have stayed wide. Yes I know Victor's horse drifted however if a horse was to be taken down everytime they drifted, everyone here would probably stop playing this game. It's done and over, I suspect the consensus will be split on this topic. I hope we can move on.

No, we aren't just gunna move on. You are wrong. He was intentionally blocking. They would of let it go once, but he did it twice. Fact is they allow too much of this, and so when they actually do the right thing they look inconsistent.They are inconsistent, and that's why there is disagreement about this take down. This was intentional blocking done in a reckless and obvious way. Fact is we move on too much, and that's why people are so ignorant that they don't recognize the dangerous irresponsible stuff Victor did. Even when people recognize it, they don't think it should be called. This is the steward's fault for overlooking it when a more popular rider does it. He makes a horse go wide(doesn't ever hit him righthanded in an effort to get him to stop running wide,) and then he starts whipping righthanded to block the same horse from going inside of him. No, that can't be allowed. Like I said, if you think that should be part of sports, then watch the Daytona 500. That's allowed in that race (constantly.) If you allow it in horseracing, you're gunna get somebody killed, and they were taking their chances of getting somebody killed when Victor did this. To be honest, this shouldn't even have had to go to the stewards. On any real track, the best horse would of easily gotten up(despite the cheating Victor did.) That is a pathetically short stretch. Having the finish line that close to the final turn is just asking for trouble like this. Any adult track would of given Bejarano's horse plenty of time to get up. This short stretch is just tempting guys to do stuff like this. My God, this horse lost by a head, and you don't think Victor gave him a head's worth of trouble? This isn't a tough call. Bejarano's horse was much the best. He was blocked twice, and the 2nd time was very reckless and endangered all those riders. I'm not surprised they had a fight. The other riders can't allow a guy to do what Victor did, or during each meet, one of them would be dead( or in a chair sucking straw.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Wow, look at the head-on at 1:06. Victor's horse looks like it would never ever come back inside. Then look at 1:11. He has moved way back down inside to simply block the best horse. This was one of the most dangerous things I have seen a rider do. I think, if they can, they will give this guy weeks off(not just days off.) Yea, I have seen them ignore this amount of trouble. That's why I am saying they are inconsistent. Fact is they weren't gunna ignore this obvious an effort to block. This is simply a jockey making stupid decisions that endangered horses and riders.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Here we go again with Gomez getting the breaks from the stewards. 8-13-08 race 8 Del Mar is very close to the same thing he did 7-11-08 race 4 at HWD. I am 100% sure the horse he fouled on 7/11 was gunna go by him that night. Today's race I am not sure the horse would have gone by, but I think it would be nice if he didn't have to spend from 1:38-1:40 running sideways, and hesitating to avoid Gomez' horse that came over. He has very little time to then start going by again. This guy is very good at making it look like his horse had the most run. He couldn't do it on 7/11/08. That other horse had a run on him, and he stopped hitting his horse righthanded in order let him come out in an effort to bump/intimidate the horse who was gunna go by. Today's was probably not intentional, but he swats his horse hard lefthanded, and the horse comes out into the other horse's way for 2 seconds. The horse can't run straight for 2 seconds. He has to run sideways, and wait until the other horse is out of his way. If Garrett's horse gets to run full out in those 2 seconds, and the other horse can't, then guess what? The other horse is gunna look like a hanger. I certainly think it could of affected the finish. This (to me) is a tough call, but I have seen Gomez do this stuff too much for my taste. I might leave him up on this one, but if he does this again within the next month. He has to come down. Getting to be a bad habit. Stay straight, and give horses a chance to run straight. 7-11-08 should of been a d.q. They didn't even call an inquiry. The other horse was best. That was just a cheat in action. See, he is fouling. They have every right to take his horses down in both cases, and they just don't take him down in either. If they let everyone do the same, then it would be a lot more objective of them.

[MaTH716]

I was just going to post about it. I couldn't believe that there was no inquiry. Then after watching the replay there was no change. The horse that got interfered with lost by a head. How could they not take down Gomez? He came out at least 2 paths. I guess if Doug Collins could have the Jordan Rules, why can't the stewards at Del Mar have the Gomez rules. He is the new Teflon Don!

[eajinabi]

Before I comment I will say I did have the 6 and not the 4 in my Pick 3


How is that not a foul????? not even an inquiry???????? Gomez did have contact with the #4 and probably cost him the race. It was not like the #4 had no chance of winning but that contact detered the horse/jockey to push harder for the win. That is absolutely inconsistent to the call made in the Best Pal as far as keeping the same path explanation. Gomez gets a free pass on this one

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Before I comment I will say I did have the 6 and not the 4 in my Pick 3


How is that not a foul????? not even an inquiry???????? Gomez did have contact with the #4 and probably cost him the race. It was not like the #4 had no chance of winning but that contact detered the horse/jockey to push harder for the win. That is absolutely inconsistent to the call made in the Best Pal as far as keeping the same path explanation. Gomez gets a free pass on this one

No, trust me, GOMEZ gets gets a free pass on all of them. Let me tell ya EAJ. THIS IS A FOUL. The thing is whether you think the winner was the better horse. That's the way they judge this stuff. That's pretty hard to determine when ya have to wait around for 2 seconds while somebody is in your way. He isn't making up a lot of ground late. So, it's a tough choice, because they don't go by fouls.They go by who they think was the better horse. If they went by whether it was a foul or not, then he has to come down. If a horse is fouled, and gobbling up ground at the wire, then it's an easy decision. What I am saying is this is a judgement call. Gomez gets every judgement call they can possibly give him, and Espinoza loses every possible judgement call. If Espinoza was on this winner of the last race, then there is no doubt that guy would come down. Bodacat did less(I think) and got taken down.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, trust me, GOMEZ gets gets a free pass on all of them. Let me tell ya EAJ. THIS IS A FOUL. The thing is whether you think the winner was the better horse. That's the way they judge this stuff. That's pretty hard to determine when ya have to wait around for 2 seconds while somebody is in your way. He isn't making up a lot of ground late. So, it's a tough choice, because they don't go by fouls.They go by who they think was the better horse. If they went by whether it was a foul or not, then he has to come down. If a horse is fouled, and gobbling up ground at the wire, then it's an easy decision. What I am saying is this is a judgement call. Gomez gets every judgement call they can possibly give him, and Espinoza loses every possible judgement call. If Espinoza was on this winner of the last race, then there is no doubt that guy would come down. Bodacat did less(I think) and got taken down.

I remember Bodacat!! I had a pick 4 going with him in the last race on a Friday night. I remeber throwing the remote at the TV when they took him down. Memories

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I remember Bodacat!! I had a pick 4 going with him in the last race on a Friday night. I remeber throwing the remote at the TV when they took him down. Memories

Yea, I'm telling ya that Bodacat had enough run that night to stay up. They usually leave a horse up that has that much run. We all know he had a lil more run than that trial maiden he fouled. They took that Bodacat down, cuz they don't like Espinoza, and they want him to stop doing that lazy riding (like he did that night.) He had the best horse. He should of kept Bodacat more clear of that horse. Espinoza is often a mentally lazy individual.You ever see him do interviews? No patience. Just starts mumbling at the ends of sentences, and basically wants them to end the interview after they've barely started it. Mentally, he takes shortcuts(doesn't want to wait his turn etc.)

[Alan07]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Here we go again with Gomez getting the breaks from the stewards. 8-13-08 race 8 Del Mar is very close to the same thing he did 7-11-08 race 4 at HWD. I am 100% sure the horse he fouled on 7/11 was gunna go by him that night. Today's race I am not sure the horse would have gone by, but I think it would be nice if he didn't have to spend from 1:38-1:40 running sideways, and hesitating to avoid Gomez' horse that came over. He has very little time to then start going by again. This guy is very good at making it look like his horse had the most run. He couldn't do it on 7/11/08. That other horse had a run on him, and he stopped hitting his horse righthanded in order let him come out in an effort to bump/intimidate the horse who was gunna go by. Today's was probably not intentional, but he swats his horse hard lefthanded, and the horse comes out into the other horse's way for 2 seconds. The horse can't run straight for 2 seconds. He has to run sideways, and wait until the other horse is out of his way. .

I guess he didn't bother to show up for work today...
http://www.dmtc.com/racinginfo/changes/

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Alan07

I guess he didn't bother to show up for work today...
http://www.dmtc.com/racinginfo/changes/

Omar won't be there either.

Rulings
The board of stewards suspended jockey Omar Berrio, 39, for six months (through Feb. 8) for “Evidence of unfitness for license and disorderly conduct: Illegal substances – cocaine.” Berrio must complete an in-house rehabilitation program and appear before stewards for a fitness for license hearing before being reinstated.