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07-02-2008, 06:39 PM
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Coach Ryan, The Darp, Sinister, War Ruler = $10K+ WOW. And as was pointed out, $27.20, $12.40, $8.80 to show for Coach Ryan who had tremendous support on this thread. $8 to show for Sinister. There was money jumping off the pages. I just noticed on pedigreequery that Coach Ryan was gelded (when?). That was something we could have explored more. Darn... A great betting race to pick by Steve. Last edited by sumitas : 07-02-2008 at 06:56 PM. 
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07-02-2008, 07:39 PM
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amoss yes
thanks to all these posts, i drove to suffolk downs with only the race 8 form and some cash. watched a couple of races live...slop AND hail! waited for the odds to post and bet amoss, sinister and mena (feed said he was winning today). couldn't stay to watch but seeing the results posted here...many thanks for making me laugh and cash!
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07-02-2008, 08:32 PM
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Well.. I guess this concept worked. We'll do it again during mid-week lulls. Congrats to those that saw it well and to those who understood the rationales that proved rewarding....
NOW... there needs to be a healthy discussion POST-RACE about WHY it happened... Few spend enough time analyzing what about the race didn't go the way they anticipated.
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07-01-2008, 02:04 PM
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07-01-2008, 04:51 PM
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A brief pedigree handicap. gsv=genetic strength value from pedigreequery.com
Sinister Repent-Hi Tech Honeycomb/Meadow Monster. di 1.67, gsv 56.09...features a 4x5 Northern Dancer. He is the first foal by his mare from an average family. Former sire Wall Street Dancer is from the immediate family. War Ruler Silver Deputy-Mostbeautifulsound/Miswaki. di 3.57, gsv 68.94...3x3 Mr Prospector. 4x4x5 Raise A Native. 1/2 to 4 yr old Mostbeautifulstorm $113,016. 3rd dam Mrs Revere banked over $400k. A credible, if not spectacular family. Coach Ryan Broad Brush-Age of Silver/Silver Deputy. di 3.00, gsv 70.74...this fella is outcrossed to x2 Northern Dancer in his mare. Broad Brush has 4x4 Turn-To. 11 lines of Plucky Liege adds some zip. His mare has produced some winners. None of note. 2nd dam Timely Times foaled Timely Broad $342,351 by sire, you guessed it, Broad Brush. Niobrara Yonaguska-Cross River/Virginia Rapids. di 4.33 gsv 57.90... 5 gen outcross. Family is very average. E Z Phone Home Phone Trick-Lady Discreet/Boundary. di 3.57 gsv 62.90...He has a potent 4x5 Nearctic. first foal by dam. Lady Discreet is x2 to Northern Dancer, Buckpasser, Damascus. They are all outcrossed by the sire. 2nd dam is Alabama Stakes winner and dam of Discreet Cat, Pretty Discreet. The family is strong. Dr Nick Authenticate (unraced $3.3mil Padua purchase)-La Riviera/Affirmed. di 2.50, gsv 63.44. 4x4x5 Raise A Native. 1/2 to minor stakes placed Frenchglen. Pretty solid family. Knock Out Cat Giants Causeway-T K O Lady/Two Punch. di 3.57 gsv 63.88... 5 gen outcross. Storm Cat, Mr Prospector cross. 1/2 to The Ladys Groom $424,183. Many gens of the family are from England and Argentina. The last two dams from the US show some promise. Siena Canyon Langfuhr-Insight/Kris S. di 1.93, gsv 70.48...3x5 Northern Dancer. This does support Langfuhr's 4x4 Nearctic. Nearctic sired Northern Dancer. The 2 Northern Dancers and 3 Nearctics pack a punch in this pedigree but the family is still trying to establish itself. Fit For A Fight Silver Charm-Heir To The Queen/King of Kings. di 1.11 gsv 63.63...5 gen outcross. A pedigree unlike most others. There is a 3x6 Poker , broodmare sire of Silver Charm. 1st foal for dam. 3rd dam foaled sire Explosive Bid. Overall, the family is a work in progress. The Darp Proud Citizen-Silver Savior/Silver Deputy. di 2.50 gsv 61.77...3x4 Mr Prospector. 2nd foal by Silver Savior. 2nd dam Sly Charmer foaled Sly Maid dam of millionaress Maryfield, Eclipse champion sprinter. This is a strong family. I'll go with E Z Phone home and The Darp . Longshots Coach Ryan, Siena Canyon. Last edited by sumitas : 07-01-2008 at 11:10 PM.
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07-01-2008, 05:04 PM
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Some shoot me. Please.
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07-01-2008, 05:07 PM
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I'll send you one of my vicoden,,,,no way you read it or care for that matter
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07-01-2008, 06:54 PM
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no toothache or vicodin, but here goes anyway.
Sinister – last win looked like it was aided by favorable trip, don’t like his chances facing better and coming from far out of it from the rail. War Ruler – raced much better with blinkers in what looks like a solid maiden claimer (third place horse was clear by 10). Raced wide and looked good doing it. Taken a month to come back but shows weekly maintenance breezes and Leparoux back to ride for the fourth time. Top contender. Coach Ryan – another coming out of winning maiden claimer effort, patiently ridden by Borel who was denied the rail but altered course late and made a wide successful rally. Think he factors on the cutback. Niobrara – won slow paced maiden claimer, think he is not ready for these. E Z Phone Home – nine straight times lost position from second call to the finish. Will factor early as always but destined to finish third or fourth at best. Dr. Nick – took money in comebacker but didn’t run well. Since he won last year at first asking I think there may be problems here. Pass. Knock Out Cat – Won at first asking but not wowed by the figures or how it looked. Do not expect that he can win right back. Siena Canyon – got put up for the win which came back with a solid figure. Might be around until very late. Fit For a Fight – made nice middle move in ALW company in last after long break. Same effort might factor here but concerned with second race after long layoff, big effort, not much rest and no recent works. Not sure what to make of him but the horse has fired every time. The Darp – has the credentials to take this, I think the cutback to seven furlongs on dirt will suit him well. Throw out the two poly races and his race record is solid compared to others in here. With that said, I’m not sure that he’s ready to fire big and might not be ready to beat horses with recent sharp form. Wouldn’t be a surprise but guessing that he needs one. Pass tomorrow. Prediction: 1) War Ruler 2) Fit For A Fight 3) Coach Ryan 4) Siena Canyon 5) E Z Phone Home
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07-01-2008, 10:27 PM
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knockout cat
war ruler and coach ryan next best
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07-01-2008, 10:42 PM
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CD 7F Track Profile - track has been relatively unkind to front runners over the last month but over the last year it has been fair. The rail and extreme outside post have underperformed a bit over the year and it is especially bad in 10+ horse fields where the outside post is 0 for 16. Other post positions are fair.
Sinister 8-1 - I think his last figure is a bit suspect since it came on a drying out track. The track seemed to favor closers early in the card and became more speed favoring as the track dried. The effort wasn't terrible, broke slow, saved ground and swung wide and nearly got carried into the stands by the bearing out front runners. The short layoff is a concern as I wonder how much the effort set him back. Add to that a tough post and that he seems to close from the clouds and I will pass. War Ruler 6-1 - Can't completely overlook that he comes out of a maiden claimer but last race was very impressive. Blinkers woke the horse up and he was wide the entire trip and pulled away late from the favored speed. Won against the track bias that day as speed seemed to hold very well. Julien sticks and extra distance shouldn't hurt. Contender. Coach Ryan 8-1 - Amoss winning almost everything so have to strongly consider. Got a very nice ground saving trip last out but wasn't able to get clear until late. Accelerated very nicely when clear. It was a small field with some suspect entries though. Improving pattern and with that trainer he may take another step forward. Consider for exotics. Niobrara 10-1 - Was 1.75 lengths back of War Ruler two back and had no excuses. That performance was maybe more impressive than his winning effort last out where he raced 3 wide stalking slow fractions in a bad maiden claimer. Would have to improve big to be a contender and with 3 races since May 11th I don't see it. Don't like the lack of workouts either. Toss. EZ Phone Home 6-1 - Tired at a mile last out but got no help from Elvis who doesn't believe in saving ground. Two back Kent gave the horse no chance hustling him to the front and dueling the entire way. Three back was best effort but still not enough. Cutback is a little interesting but horse has even running style and doesn't seem to pass much. He won't lead here. Consider underneath but tossing as a win contender. Dr. Nick 12-1 - Yeesh look at those layoff lines. Faced some classy horses as a 2yo. Last out wasn't hopeless, made a small move on the turn and then passed tired ones in the stretch. Horse probably needed one and should improve here but doubtful that it is enough. If he gets completely lost on the board I could see taking a small stab, maybe underneath. Toss as win contender. Knock Out Cat 5-1 - Interesting trip in debut. Got the perfect setup as he stayed behind the speed horses who went out in blazing fractions. Rail opened up in stretch but horse had no interest and ended up having to check to get outside. Ran green and could obviously use one. 2nd time starter is one of my favorite angles and there could be big improvement considering connections and pedigree. Certainly a contender but I don't want at too short a price. Siena Canyon 12-1 - Last race was pretty impressive. Caught a flyer from the gate, settled 3 wide and was very game down the stretch. Bumped hard and deservedly moved up. That race wasn't that fast and will need to move up again. Trainer at 29% for the meet. Very interesting, definitely a sleeper. Fit For A Fight 9-2 - The 9/2 line is a joke. Horse was 2nd at 50-1 last out but looked like a drunk driver coming down the stretch bearing out and weaving all over the lane. Long layoff before last and no works between. Might get the front but won't last long. Toss. The Darp 7-2 - Certainly comes out of good races but coming off another layoff it is doubtful the horse will be geared for best effort. Combine the outside post and poor odds and this is a horse who I let beat me. Toss. Win Contenders: 1. War Ruler 2. Knock Out Cat Sleeper: Siena Canyon Include Underneath: Coach Ryan
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07-02-2008, 10:16 AM
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Horse for course........
Love to see all the analysis on a very interesting race........many comments will have been stated elsewhere but here's where I'm going.
Sinister 8-1 - I'm a sucker for deep closers at Churchill and this guy seems to fit the bill. There should be a nice pace to run at and I like his two wins right here at CD. Think the rail shouldn't be a problem as he will save ground into the turn then swing out in the stretch. He's a winner that has beat winners and nobody else in here can say that. He's raced once a month since November and this is his first freshening. Three fairly soft maintenance drills in June coming up to this and he does appear to be the type who will not be rank with his running style. He broke his maiden at first asking for $50,000 as opposed to War Ruler and Coach Ryan which took a few efforts to do it. Disappointed LEPAROUX goes with War Ruler but hope a 'hungry' LANERIE gets the job done. My preferred wagering method is to find a 'key' horse then go top and bottom in exactas. I like: 1 X 2-3-4-7-10 and 2-3-4-7-10 X 1
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07-02-2008, 03:23 PM
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Steve,
You never did any analysis? Your doing the show now, so I guess no thoughts from you. How about some picks?
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06-30-2008, 08:21 PM
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06-30-2008, 08:25 PM
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as for the little more, why dont you give something... rather then insult me, i gave my horse for the race. did you ? no you did not. you made a comment about me, which was pointless, and really no need for
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06-30-2008, 08:28 PM
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06-30-2008, 08:31 PM
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If you didn't pick the horse because he is a Giants Causeway what do you like about the horse? Do you expect him to improve big 2nd time out? Do you like the connections? Do you like that he overcame a tough trip to win? Do you like the pace scenario? I don't think the point of this thread is to just give out a pick.
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06-30-2008, 08:40 PM
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