Doc Cheney

[ArlJim78]

Don Cheney was nice and wide on both turns last time, also seemed to be pushed up on the backside rather quickly, given the hot pace it probably took a lot out of him.

looking back at his previous performances, he has a pretty strong finish but needs to run longer before being asked.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I looked at the replay. OUtside of finishing poorly, what did you find wrong with the ride?

You're kidding me....right? That was a totally pathetic ride ( I think ArlJim pointed it out fairly well ). He was wide on both turns, after being shuffled back at the start, and was absurdly rushed on the backstretch. It's amazing the horse finished as well as he did considering.

However, I don't agree with Phil that it was a biased track that day. I thought it was fairly even.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're kidding me....right? That was a totally pathetic ride ( I think ArlJim pointed it out fairly well ). He was wide on both turns, after being shuffled back at the start, and was absurdly rushed on the backstretch. It's amazing the horse finished as well as he did considering.

However, I don't agree with Phil that it was a biased track that day. I thought it was fairly even.

Alright. I went back and took a closer look.

I can't get too excited about this horse going 3 wide on the turns, however

I noticed a few things as, this time, I looked at the headon

1) the 5 hits him out of the gate and costs him position

2) he's the only horse making up ground from the start to the 2nd qtr

but this horse is never asked to run until the 2nd turn; he's being loose reigned on the 1st turn, running on his own. he's compromised by the trouble at the start but he's never 'absurdly rushed'.

clearly, however, he ran more than the others, making, essentially, 2 moves in the race, and, I suppose, an argument could be made that he threatens the winner with a better trip.

[blackthroatedwind]

Fair enough. We disagree slightly....which is good.

I guess the trainer agrees more with you as he's riding the incompetent back. Did you, by any chance, catch Ortiz's performance in the 7th race today?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Fair enough. We disagree slightly....which is good.

I guess the trainer agrees more with you as he's riding the incompetent back. Did you, by any chance, catch Ortiz's performance in the 7th race today?

Ahhh, Precious Too.

While I look at that race, you might want to take a quick look at Tyler Baze's ride on America's Friend in today's 2nd at SA. I don't think it's possible to get into any more trouble with a horse.

Edited.

I can't fault Ortiz for this one. I don't think there's any jock that's been able to get Precious Too to run straight or relaxed for an entire race (maybe Kent, her 2nd time out, I believe, on the turf at SAR). She's always tempting but always finds a way to screw it up.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Ahhh, Precious Too.

While I look at that race, you might want to take a quick look at Tyler Baze's ride on America's Friend in today's 2nd at SA. I don't think it's possible to get into any more trouble with a horse.

Edited.

I can't fault Ortiz for this one. I don't think there's any jock that's been able to get Precious Too to run straight or relaxed for an entire race (maybe Kent, her 2nd time out, I believe, on the turf at SAR). She's always tempting but always finds a way to screw it up.

You're not wrong about Precious Too, but considering his very long record of incompetence I can't hold him blameless either.

As for Santa Anita.....first of all, those stupid Jumbotrons make it impossible to watch races. They are an absolute nightmare. No wonder I don't bother with those races ( aside from the indecipherable surface ). Secondly, the head on jumped from late on the backstretch to the stretch. What's up with that?

The trouble was Baze's fault but frankly a little too obvious for me. He finished where he figured to. The trouble might have been mitigated by a semi-suck up trip.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're not wrong about Precious Too, but considering his very long record of incompetence I can't hold him blameless either.

As for Santa Anita.....first of all, those stupid Jumbotrons make it impossible to watch races. They are an absolute nightmare. No wonder I don't bother with those races ( aside from the indecipherable surface ). Secondly, the head on jumped from late on the backstretch to the stretch. What's up with that?

The trouble was Baze's fault but frankly a little too obvious for me. He finished where he figured to. The trouble might have been mitigated by a semi-suck up trip.

The problem out in CALI is that they don't show the bacstretch in the headons of their races (except DMR, I believe). Which is an INCREDIBLE JOKE. I can't believe they're following the Meadowlands (or the other way around) in doing this. At this point in time, I believe that KEE is mountains above all the others when it comes to their video, and CRC and CD are right behind. Of course, we can't get the headons of those races.

Morever, either they have the shortest stretches in the planet out in CALI or the headons of the stretch runs are sped up, cause they just don't jibe with the pan shot of the race.

As for America's Friend, I don't need next time as I bet her today. And, with all due respect, if Baze doesn't needlessly get shuffled back going into the turn, then take forever to get outside, I think he wins the race. This is harder to see in the headon, unfortunately, than it is on the pan shot.

[blackthroatedwind]

To be honest, I had trouble following the race at all due to the ridiculous Jumbotron. So much for continuity.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

thats alot of sticking up for nick .. just cuz someone says crap on internet board does not mean w need a huge thread about an average horse....he was a contenda now a pretenda.. felix ortiz is a little hint......

[Scav]

oh no...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

thats alot of sticking up for nick .. just cuz someone says crap on internet board does not mean w need a huge thread about an average horse....he was a contenda now a pretenda.. felix ortiz is a little hint......

I'm not sure he was ever a contender.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

for a wile........you know nick personally.. so to entertain he would f around and run a sore horse cuz some crack pot from tha thorn heard it from a call gilrs ex old care salesman said so is laughable.... you dont get 30 mill worth of stock per year to train cuz people think your not the right guy...........

[blackthroatedwind]

I hear ya.

I was only posting about him today because I thought it was a good replay to watch. It's a little slow these days in case you haven't noticed.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

explain karakrum roulette / tome bush i get / aleexander.....tri

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

explain karakrum roulette / tome bush i get / aleexander.....tri

Bad horses win bad races and the track was pretty biased towards speed and the inside. The big favorite was running Beyers in the 40s.

Bush was a firster.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Bad horses win bad races and the track was pretty biased towards speed and the inside. The big favorite was running Beyers in the 40s.

Bush was a firster.

Dime bettor takes down the pool

One New York City Off-Track Betting patron didn't need a dollar to realize his dream. All he needed was a dime.

The unidentified bettor collected the entire net pool of $23,609 when he hit the superfecta in Friday's third race. The winning combination of 2-6-10-4 consisted of Karakorum Roulette ($74.50) over 12-1 shot Ambidaxtrous, 43-1 shot Sounds Tacky, and 5-1 shot Phil Cat.

[blackthroatedwind]

To be honest, this is one of the things I like about winter racing in NY. A little imagination can sometimes give you great rewards. Plus, a bias like the one we've had this week provides copious amounts of trips that will pay off when the track gets even.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Scav

Dime bettor takes down the pool

One New York City Off-Track Betting patron didn't need a dollar to realize his dream. All he needed was a dime.

The unidentified bettor collected the entire net pool of $23,609 when he hit the superfecta in Friday's third race. The winning combination of 2-6-10-4 consisted of Karakorum Roulette ($74.50) over 12-1 shot Ambidaxtrous, 43-1 shot Sounds Tacky, and 5-1 shot Phil Cat.

it was pg 1985!!!!!!

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

To be honest, this is one of the things I like about winter racing in NY. A little imagination can sometimes give you great rewards. Plus, a bias like the one we've had this week provides copious amounts of trips that will pay off when the track gets even.

I agree, I do better on the inner than anywhere else, simply because half the equation is knowing how the track was playing in the previous performances and finding horses that fit the bias.

You weren't kidding about the bias today, just watched the replay show. Nearly every race was "dueled inside, shook clear"

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

call me crazy but i like rudy r ..give em a speed horse and hes money..he has his weak points .traffic and pace..but given a 1 mission go to the front and ride ,,hes very good .more so than some "name jocks"