NoBiz and Shipping...

[The Bid]

He showed his Albert the Great

[ultracapper]

he's a nice grade 3, maybe grade 2 animal if he ever runs in the handicap division.

[LARHAGE]

I think Nobiz is a beautiful horse that will always be a tad below the top horses, he has never shown a quick turn of foot, or any ability to close particularly well, he just gallops around at the same pace the whole way around. He looks hard to maneuver and has really never inpressed me other than with his looks.

[jjf1031]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I think Nobiz is a beautiful horse that will always be a tad below the top horses, he has never shown a quick turn of foot, or any ability to close particularly well, he just gallops around at the same pace the whole way around. He looks hard to maneuver and has really never inpressed me other than with his looks.

Hence why I believe he could be a factor in Belmont. He can grind. But after reading other threads here today Belmont might come up saltier than I originally thought

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I think Nobiz is a beautiful horse that will always be a tad below the top horses, he has never shown a quick turn of foot, or any ability to close particularly well, he just gallops around at the same pace the whole way around. He looks hard to maneuver and has really never inpressed me other than with his looks.

I agree. I think the distance was a question for him in the Derby as well. I liked his Remsen and maiden win a lot, but he ran against easy fields and didn't really show much improvement in terms of ability from his two year old year to his three year old year. While he won the Wood, it was also an easy field and wasn't that impressive IMO. Also, the best horse in the race ran horrible. I like AGS much better because I think that he is much more talented, but AGS hasn't ran a good race and shown his true ability since the Tampa Bay Derby. Hopefully, Pletcher can get him straight and we'll see him back to his best.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I agree. I think the distance was a question for him in the Derby as well. I liked his Remsen and maiden win a lot, but he ran against easy fields and didn't really show much improvement in terms of ability from his two year old year to his three year old year. While he won the Wood, it was also an easy field and wasn't that impressive IMO. Also, the best horse in the race ran horrible. I like AGS much better because I think that he is much more talented, but AGS hasn't ran a good race and shown his true ability since the Tampa Bay Derby. Hopefully, Pletcher can get him straight and we'll see him back to his best.

Weren't you the one posting that both AGS and Street Sense looked sore at Tampa Bay?

NoBiz is a big goofy bastard.


On a side note, obviously the best horse didn't win the Derby. LOL LOL LOL had no excuses but in time he could be a monster.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Weren't you the one posting that both AGS and Street Sense looked sore at Tampa Bay?

Good memory, you are correct;

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I haven't talked to Joel for a long time. It's been a month or more. Both horses aren't nearly as pretty moving as they were as two year olds. You can pick stuff like this out if you know what you are looking for. Both looked sore to me, especially Street Sense. He doesn't even look like the same horse because he hits the ground so quick now. Any Given Saturday also hits the ground a little quicker than he did as a two year old. He was much more fluid as a younger horse.

So he ran his best race, and showed is true ability despite being sore.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Good memory, you are correct;

So he ran his best race, and showed is true ability despite being sore.

I guess so!

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You can pick stuff like this out if you know what you are looking for. Both looked sore to me, especially Street Sense. He doesn't even look like the same horse because he hits the ground so quick now. Any Given Saturday also hits the ground a little quicker than he did as a two year old. He was much more fluid as a younger horse.

Hilarious... I'm sorry, but this is too funny. Neither one of those horses were sore at Tampa. And excuse me for saying this, but unless you were THERE, you can't make that assumption. I don't care how many two year old in training videos you watched.

[estreetposse]

My post really wasn't about his speed or if he was sore or if the asst starter had his arm stuck up his arse...With all the supposed problems this horse has had on focusing and running without lugging and fighting the jock, do you think shipping also could be a problem and they need to ship sooner to prepare for his race surroundings. How about a trainer change or jockey change? He just hasn't run a straightforward race that I've seen and I just don't think he should be counted out yet.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I guess so!



Hilarious... I'm sorry, but this is too funny. Neither one of those horses were sore at Tampa. And excuse me for saying this, but unless you were THERE, you can't make that assumption. I don't care how many two year old in training videos you watched.

You are misinformed.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

My post really wasn't about his speed or if he was sore or if the asst starter had his arm stuck up his arse...With all the supposed problems this horse has had on focusing and running without lugging and fighting the jock, do you think shipping also could be a problem and they need to ship sooner to prepare for his race surroundings. How about a trainer change or jockey change? He just hasn't run a straightforward race that I've seen and I just don't think he should be counted out yet.

I think he's a nice colt, but he's a headcase. He seems to expend a lot of energy being 'rank' and that was probably the cause of his poor run in the Derby. I'm not so certain that shipping is the problem... he seemed to ship well from Florida to NY etc. I would love to see this guy in the Belmont.

[Skip away]

He will be very tough in the remainder of the races this year. If Tagg took a lesson from Todd in spotting his horses, hed be a legend. Nobiz is the real deal and I suggest you throw out his Derby. He gave up after the first half mile because he knew he couldnt win.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You are misinformed.

I'M misinformed? So you were at Tampa? Damn, you should have introduced yourself.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'M misinformed? So you were at Tampa? Damn, you should have introduced yourself.

No need. She watched the race on a 5" black and white tv.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Skip away

He will be very tough in the remainder of the races this year. If Tagg took a lesson from Todd in spotting his horses, hed be a legend. Nobiz is the real deal and I suggest you throw out his Derby. He gave up after the first half mile because he knew he couldnt win.

This post belongs in the Hall of Fame.

[Cannon Shell]

He wants to run on the lead but for some reason BT wants him to rate.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'M misinformed? So you were at Tampa? Damn, you should have introduced yourself.

Yes, you are misinformed about whether or not you can tell if an animal does not move as well as they once did over the television screen.

And no I wasn't at Tampa. I have talked with several people in the business about this and have been doing this for awhile now. I said that the horses were not moving as well in that race, and they weren't. I didn't say that they were necessarily sore or lame. It was publicly known that Street Sense had issues before he ever made his first start back this year. In hindsight, the horse may not have liked the Tampa Bay Derby surface and was probably getting tired at the end of the race. When he ran in the BG Stakes, he was moving much stronger and better and proved that he could run through whatever problems that he has. At Churchill Downs, he was moving beautifully and training like a monster, and that is why I picked him to win the Derby.

On the other hand, AGS did just the opposite. AGS was not moving in that race as well as he moved as a two-year-old, and he proved in the Wood that he could not run through whatever problems he has to cause that kind of action. The Tampa Bay Derby did him in, and he has not been able to show his true ability since that race. Hopefully, Pletcher can get him straight and he can get back to his racing career in as short of an amount of time as possible because I think that he is one of the best of his generation.

Sometimes, these horses are not what you would necessarily call lame but you can tell that something isn't quite right with them when their action while racing is different from their previous race.

Someone who is known for his ability to judge horses in this manner in the horse racing industry agreed with me about these two horses in that particular race by watching them on the tape.

Also, not that the two year old sales have anything really to do with this, but I would also like to point out that trainers like Baffert who have a really good eye for horses do not even watch the previews live at most of the sales. They are sent the videos and can tell everything that they need to know by watching the video including if a horse is off or not. They then look at the Hip Numbers that they are interested in a few days before the sale.

Trainers like Ellis actually watch the horses work live, look at the horses the day after the works to check for soundness, and then rely heavily on the video to get a better idea of what they are looking at because you can judge the way a horse is traveling a lot better watching the videos than you can judge them by watching them go live.

Just like every knowledgeable person who have great reputations that I have talked to in this business about it, I can tell if a horse is sore in the walking ring or post parade easier on the TV than I can live. The truth of the matter is that you're going to see the same bad steps that they take over the TV as you do live.

It is the exact same principle as to why riders like me like to watch vidoes of their horses going. It is also why people like Dr. Bob Mowry teach his learner judges about judging horses through videos before they start their live work. It's just easier to see everything that they are doing.

kentuckyroses = jamie sanders?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Yes, you are misinformed about whether or not you can tell if an animal does not move as well as they once did over the television screen.

And no I wasn't at Tampa. I have talked with several people in the business about this and have been doing this for awhile now. I said that the horses were not moving as well in that race, and they weren't. I didn't say that they were necessarily sore or lame. It was publicly known that Street Sense had issues before he ever made his first start back this year. In hindsight, the horse may not have liked the Tampa Bay Derby surface and was probably getting tired at the end of the race. When he ran in the BG Stakes, he was moving much stronger and better and proved that he could run through whatever problems that he has. At Churchill Downs, he was moving beautifully and training like a monster, and that is why I picked him to win the Derby.

On the other hand, AGS did just the opposite. AGS was not moving in that race as well as he moved as a two-year-old, and he proved in the Wood that he could not run through whatever problems he has to cause that kind of action. The Tampa Bay Derby did him in, and he has not been able to show his true ability since that race. Hopefully, Pletcher can get him straight and he can get back to his racing career in as short of an amount of time as possible because I think that he is one of the best of his generation.

Sometimes, these horses are not what you would necessarily call lame but you can tell that something isn't quite right with them when their action while racing is different from their previous race.

Someone who is known for his ability to judge horses in this manner in the horse racing industry agreed with me about these two horses in that particular race by watching them on the tape.

Also, not that the two year old sales have anything really to do with this, but I would also like to point out that trainers like Baffert who have a really good eye for horses do not even watch the previews live at most of the sales. They are sent the videos and can tell everything that they need to know by watching the video including if a horse is off or not. They then look at the Hip Numbers that they are interested in a few days before the sale.

Trainers like Ellis actually watch the horses work live, look at the horses the day after the works to check for soundness, and then rely heavily on the video to get a better idea of what they are looking at because you can judge the way a horse is traveling a lot better watching the videos than you can judge them by watching them go live.

Just like every knowledgeable person who have great reputations that I have talked to in this business about it, I can tell if a horse is sore in the walking ring or post parade easier on the TV than I can live. The truth of the matter is that you're going to see the same bad steps that they take over the TV as you do live.

It is the exact same principle as to why riders like me like to watch vidoes of their horses going. It is also why people like Dr. Bob Mowry teach his learner judges about judging horses through videos before they start their live work. It's just easier to see everything that they are doing.

News flash:

You said YOURSELF, Ms. Expert of all things horseracing, that you doubted Street Sense would enter the starting gate in the Kentucky Derby. Oh how RIGHT you turned out to be about that one.