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Old 11-01-2009, 10:50 PM
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It's been a long time since I've seen the clear-cut fastest horse go off the 8th choice in a race.
Only the Beyers have her as the clear-cut fastest.

Her stablemate ran a faster TG at the same distance, and the Bris figures have her 5th at 7F or longer.
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:10 PM
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Her stablemate ran her big sheet number on dirt I would assume.

Bris figures are as bad as it gets. If I E-mailed PG'85 a bunch of charts and tables he could make way better figures than Bris on his own.
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:38 PM
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Of course- it was in the Spinaway behind Hot Dixie Chick- and I've already shown my discontent with her.

I fully expected the dismissal of the Bris figures. Quite frankly, the Beyers are so terrible these days, especially on synthetics, I like using Brisnet better. At least I know when they're flawed. Beyer figures rank somewhere around Roman's Performance Figures for me. Useless.
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Old 11-01-2009, 11:53 PM
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I make my own ... and I'd say about 90-95% of the time the Beyers are within 3 points of my own numbers.

The figure makers very rarely do anything stupid unless its on a tricky day.

I set an all-time record for variant splits and races cut loose with my PID ones ... you'd probably hate my own numbers more than the Beyers if you actually bother to look at BRIS.
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Old 11-02-2009, 05:17 AM
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Also, in reference to your McPeek stretchout comments, it looks like he's trying to enter my friend's horse off just a debut maiden win in the BCJ (or BCJT) since he scratched out of the Iroquois today.

While I'll root for him he doesn't have much of a chance and quite frankly I don't know if he'll even draw in, as he's last on the AE's list.
I was with McPeek in Hammerle's office for quite a while yesterday and can tell you he is not expecting Fist of Rage to get into the Cup at all. He didn't like the spot yesterday and calld Rayman and said he thought they were rushing things if they ran in there. They have big hopes for the horse and he just felt on a gut level it was a mistake to run.

His instincts seemed right because we went over the TG's on both races, and as much as he thought Fist was in tough, he also thought Vivid Colors might be able to get black type in the Pocahontas. And she was just a length short...
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I just watched Presious Passion's work on TVG The Works and he looked f'n terrible.
Mike Welsch and everyone around the track thought differently.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/108617.html

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Old 11-02-2009, 06:12 AM
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Her stablemate ran her big sheet number on dirt I would assume.

Bris figures are as bad as it gets. If I E-mailed PG'85 a bunch of charts and tables he could make way better figures than Bris on his own.
No doubt about that.
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:06 AM
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Mike Welsch and everyone around the track thought differently.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/108617.html

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No workers but Presious Passion made an awesome appearance galloping this morning.
He's not a poly horse. He could get a piece on that turf course. Not on top though.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:14 AM
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I assume you mean Girolamao and not King Glorious? The colt is one of my favorite horses and he's got a lot of questions surrounding him. I respect the opinions of posters on the board and so I ask ?. I hope that's not a problem? I have a few other favorite horses, but I don't need to ask ? about them because they are fairly solid.
I was hoping the obsession was with me. I was flattered. Oh well. As for the horse, I would still enter him in the Classic. I've never been a big work guy in as far as them being indicaters of how a horse will run and with all of the comments I've heard from trainers about SA's surface, there seems to even less correlation between works and races.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:27 AM
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I was with McPeek in Hammerle's office for quite a while yesterday and can tell you he is not expecting Fist of Rage to get into the Cup at all. He didn't like the spot yesterday and calld Rayman and said he thought they were rushing things if they ran in there. They have big hopes for the horse and he just felt on a gut level it was a mistake to run.

His instincts seemed right because we went over the TG's on both races, and as much as he thought Fist was in tough, he also thought Vivid Colors might be able to get black type in the Pocahontas. And she was just a length short...
I'll be shocked if McPeek doesn't win a juvie race as I honestly think he has a good shot in all four. Noble's Promise missed a work due to a leg infection so that is a bit of question mark for me, but his work on Sunday was reported as being good.

The most impressive thing to me though is he has all of these decent 2 year olds and I don't think a single one cost more than 100K.
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Old 11-02-2009, 08:50 AM
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I was with McPeek in Hammerle's office for quite a while yesterday and can tell you he is not expecting Fist of Rage to get into the Cup at all. He didn't like the spot yesterday and calld Rayman and said he thought they were rushing things if they ran in there. They have big hopes for the horse and he just felt on a gut level it was a mistake to run.

His instincts seemed right because we went over the TG's on both races, and as much as he thought Fist was in tough, he also thought Vivid Colors might be able to get black type in the Pocahontas. And she was just a length short...
Great update Steve, was actually going to call him today to see what the thoughts were. I know they like him quite a bit, the debut was certainly promising (i think he got a 10 in the debut). There's plenty of allowance opportunities at CD for 2yos which make sense.
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:05 AM
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I was with McPeek in Hammerle's office for quite a while yesterday and can tell you he is not expecting Fist of Rage to get into the Cup at all. He didn't like the spot yesterday and calld Rayman and said he thought they were rushing things if they ran in there. They have big hopes for the horse and he just felt on a gut level it was a mistake to run.

His instincts seemed right because we went over the TG's on both races, and as much as he thought Fist was in tough, he also thought Vivid Colors might be able to get black type in the Pocahontas. And she was just a length short...

Any comments about Connie and Michael?
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Mike Welsch and everyone around the track thought differently.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/108617.html

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No workers but Presious Passion made an awesome appearance galloping this morning.
TVG showed a 1 mile work on yesterday's "The Works" and he was being whipped in the lane (three times on the hind)

Now, this probably had alot to do with the surface but maybe it was the wrong horse on TVG?
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:07 AM
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TVG showed a 1 mile work on yesterday's "The Works" and he was being whipped in the lane (three times on the hind)

Now, this probably had alot to do with the surface but maybe it was the wrong horse on TVG?
No, I saw it. It was PP. That's how she always works them.
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Old 11-02-2009, 09:14 AM
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When are



going to make a decision?
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Kodiak Kowboy and Allicansayis Wow have defected
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Television schedule:

All of the Friday coverage will be on ESPN2, with the broadcast running from 3:30 to 7 p.m. (all times Eastern). On Saturday, the first two hours (1:30-3:30) will be shown on ABC, with the remaining block (3:30-7) on ESPN.


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Kodiak Kowboy and Allicansayis Wow have defected
That's going to be a real blow to the Cuban team.
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That's going to be a real blow to the Cuban team.
Only the horses I can't stand defect, it is great luck. First thing tomorrow I expect Zenyatta not to be entered, period because I think she has no shot and will take all the money.....
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Old 11-02-2009, 01:32 PM
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Regal Ransom and Girolamo a go for the Classic.

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