9/20 (PRX): Cotillion (G1), PA Derby (G2), Gallant Bob (G3), Alphabet Soup

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I know, Coachie...

Can't help it though. I do still love CC (and you too ). Wish YOU owned him.

Maybe we can have a contest of what sort of asinine thing will be said if he loses.

I do like the horse and would do 1000 cartwheels a day if I had the opportunity to own him.

I'm disappointed in the layoff. I don't think Chrome is the type of horse that benefits from them. But then again I could be wrong.

We'll see.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Pants II

I do like the horse and would do 1000 cartwheels a day if I had the opportunity to own him.

I'm disappointed in the layoff. I don't think Chrome is the type of horse that benefits from them. But then again I could be wrong.

We'll see.

I think after the Belmont and considering his rant, Coburn and Co. decided that they'll be danged if they're gonna take a seasoned horse against fresh ones again and that they were gonna be the fresh horse next time. A complete lack of understanding of how some horses need freshening like that and some thrive on work. Sherman's just doing the best he can with these guys. I do find it doubtful he'd have chosen this route (prep #/spacing) for Chrome on his own, but I also doubt he'd admit that. Wouldn't wanna lose face or insult the owners.

[Arletta]

Japanese are trying pretty hard to buy him.


“But you have to understand the interest in him right now. People from Japan were here the other day (at Los Alamitos), and they want him bad. As a stud, he’s very valuable, but it’s up to the owners. If the money’s there, you have to think they’ll sell him.”

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/.../#article-copy

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It would be a monstrous blow to the American stud industry if he were whisked away to Japan.

hardly. how much did they pay for him ?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

hardly. how much did they pay for him ?

It was sarcasm.

[Alabama Stakes]

my bad. when you're getting things that I don't get, rockhead, it's time to smoke a little of the purple.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Cardus

It would be a monstrous blow to the American stud industry if he were whisked away to Japan.

Well someone was on quite the roll this morning...

[Benny]

A bad bet, historically on Derby returnees.

http://www.drf.com/news/crist-histor...chrome-bad-bet

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Benny

A bad bet, historically on Derby returnees.

http://www.drf.com/news/crist-histor...chrome-bad-bet

from Crist's article: "Since 1980, six of the eight horses in his exact position – returning to the races after winning the Derby and Preakness and losing the Belmont – have lost their comeback race, most of them at short odds. "

This apparently arbitrary 1980 cutoff made me immediately think that the next one back would have been bad for the thesis. Sure enough, in 1979 Spectacular Bid came back to win the Haskell. Granted, he didn't add much to the ROI of the "return" bet.

I couldn't find out how Cananero II, the one before Spectacular Bid, had fared in his return.

--Dunbar

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

from Crist's article: "Since 1980, six of the eight horses in his exact position – returning to the races after winning the Derby and Preakness and losing the Belmont – have lost their comeback race, most of them at short odds. "

This apparently arbitrary 1980 cutoff made me immediately think that the next one back would have been bad for the thesis. Sure enough, in 1979 Spectacular Bid came back to win the Haskell. Granted, he didn't add much to the ROI of the "return" bet.

I couldn't find out how Cananero II, the one before Spectacular Bid, had fared in his return.

--Dunbar

The Bid returned after the Belmont in an allowance race at Delaware Park, set a track record, won by 17 lengths and paid a nickel on the dollar with the Shoe on him for the first time. The Belmont winner won the Haskell. As a 4 yo he won the Amory L. Haskell H. for 3yo and up, now known as the Iselin H.

[letswastemoney]

I don't see Untapable losing.

I'm less certain of California Chrome's chances. Bayern having to endure pressure from C J's Awesome and possibly Protonico may not be signifcant, but I also could see Espinoza on Chrome deciding he should duel with Bayern rather than let him slip away.

[10 pnt move up]

Is this thing on TV somewhere other than HRTV?

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Watch out for Tapiture!

[Thoroughbred Fan]

They didn't go fast enough for him to have a chance to close, but Tapiture ran well.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I think after the Belmont and considering his rant, Coburn and Co. decided that they'll be danged if they're gonna take a seasoned horse against fresh ones again and that they were gonna be the fresh horse next time. A complete lack of understanding of how some horses need freshening like that and some thrive on work. Sherman's just doing the best he can with these guys. I do find it doubtful he'd have chosen this route (prep #/spacing) for Chrome on his own, but I also doubt he'd admit that. Wouldn't wanna lose face or insult the owners.

Wasnt there a foot injury to get over as well?

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Wasnt there a foot injury to get over as well?

He grabbed a quarter, pretty nastily from the picture I saw, but it's not like I spend my day looking at grabbed quarters. Maybe they look worse than they are. What foot injury beyond that? It takes 3.5 months to get back from grabbing a quarter? One prep in 5 months because of that? Usually we see this kind of break when the horse has something wrong with them or is stamped 'fragile,' but doesn't seem like there was anything. It's just weird and I don't like it. I guess leave it to Art to get the job done, but still... bothersome.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

He grabbed a quarter, pretty nastily from the picture I saw, but it's not like I spend my day looking at grabbed quarters. Maybe they look worse than they are. What foot injury beyond that? It takes 3.5 months to get back from grabbing a quarter? One prep in 5 months because of that? Usually we see this kind of break when the horse has something wrong with them or is stamped 'fragile,' but doesn't seem like there was anything. It's just weird and I don't like it. I guess leave it to Art to get the job done, but still... bothersome.

not sure how long it takes for that part.
I do know that the horse took his first break ever after the Belmont, with a fair amount of racing beforehand. 13 starts so far, which is more than many horses accomplish thru their entire career-and all those by mid june at 3. I'm not going to question a break after the racing he's done. I remember they almost skipped the santa anita derby because he didn't need it, and they wanted to give him a bit of a break. they changed their mind and ran him. the horse had a very busy early 2014. just glad he's still racing. after slew lost the swaps, he didn't run again all year.

[Kasept]

Grening confirms Stopchargingmaria almost definite SCR from Cotillion..

[pucknut]

untapable avenges the try against the boys
ROMPS
bayern can steal this and when baffert ships its no joke he does so with a purpose

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I'm not going to question a break after the racing he's done.

I completely agree. As far as how he'll do coming off the rest, we just have to wait and see.