Police state reached

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Thanks, Bob, for your thoughtful comment. Natch you have no problem with federal agencies being staffed with left-wing idealogues.

To continue...
"WASHINGTON — Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI. On average, there were 96 such incidents among at least 400 police killings each year that were reported to the FBI by local police."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...data/14060357/

96 of 400, or 24%.

According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an..._United_States
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...133967273.html

Is it really a stretch that black deaths at the hands of police make up 24% of the total deaths at the hands of the police?

As for the DOJ, never in history has it inserted itself into a case as quickly as it has this one. Why do you suppose that is?

'The reports show that 18% of the blacks killed during those seven years were under age 21, compared to 8.7% of whites. The victim in Ferguson was 18-year-old Michael Brown. Police have yet to identify the officer who shot him; witnesses have said the officer was white.

While the racial analysis is striking, the database it's based on has been long considered flawed and largely incomplete.'

this is also from your first article you posted, old dog.

so, do you consider the first article a good source? the database is flawed and incomplete, yet you choose to use the 24% part, but don't mention the other stat further down, which is definitely skewed in another direction.
also, how many blacks were killed by black officers, as there is also evidence of bias from black officers toward black suspects.

[Danzig]

to answer the questions being raised, one must know what's going on...which seems to be a real issue right now, because police departments don't track data:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opini...819-story.html


this explains why the date base mentioned in the article old dog posted is incomplete. seems many don't think to keep track, or don't care.

[OldDog]

It may be flawed and incomplete, but what other database is there?

I'm still searching for the one which establishes the very real and terrible pattern of police killings of African-American men, the one that shows that blacks are being killed in numbers disproportionate to criminality statistics.

As for the second stat, about young blacks being killed disproportionately as compared to young whites, it's interesting to note the similarity to the statistics of young blacks being killed by anyone as compared to young whites. Have a look at these from the CDC:

Leading causes of death by age group - White Males 2010 (most recent data)
http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCOD_WHITEmen2010.pdf
Ages 15-24, homicide is the third highest cause at 8-10%.

Contrast that to Black Males
http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCODBlackmales2010.pdf
where homicide is the leading cause at 50%.

Is there a correlation between young blacks being killed by police and young blacks being killed by anybody? Could be.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

It may be flawed and incomplete, but what other database is there?

I'm still searching for the one which establishes the very real and terrible pattern of police killings of African-American men, the one that shows that blacks are being killed in numbers disproportionate to criminality statistics.

As for the second stat, about young blacks being killed disproportionately as compared to young whites, it's interesting to note the similarity to the statistics of young blacks being killed by anyone as compared to young whites. Have a look at these from the CDC:

Leading causes of death by age group - White Males 2010 (most recent data)
http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCOD_WHITEmen2010.pdf
Ages 15-24, homicide is the third highest cause at 8-10%.

Contrast that to Black Males
http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCODBlackmales2010.pdf
where homicide is the leading cause at 50%.

Is there a correlation between young blacks being killed by police and young blacks being killed by anybody? Could be.

a flawed study isn't better than no study. that's the point, like i put in the last post, there is no requirement that anyone give out any info. no one is tracking it.
apparently because no one cares enough to track it.
so no one can prove or disprove anything at this point. it seems the best thing to do would be for everyone to track this, and for everyone to also make sure their police aren't just trained, they must follow up on that training.
the only training subsequent to the academy my father ever went thru was when they'd send you to the range once a year to make sure you could still shoot fairly accurately.
many occupations require follow up training, continuing education, etc. surely the police should be one of the groups who does so?

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so no one can prove or disprove anything at this point.

So, why the rush to judgement by (some) black "leaders," and the main stream media? Why are they claiming something which, if you're right, can neither be proven nor disproven, namely that young blacks are being killed by police more than young whites, hispanics or asians? (rhetorical, I know)

And why did Obama so quickly dispatch Eric Holder to Ferguson? Was it so that he could publicly recall his own "angry" experience with police? Maybe he's considering his own run for the 2016 nomination.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

So, why the rush to judgement by (some) black "leaders," and the main stream media? Why are they claiming something which, if you're right, can neither be proven nor disproven, namely that young blacks are being killed by police more than young whites, hispanics or asians? (rhetorical, I know)

And why did Obama so quickly dispatch Eric Holder to Ferguson? Was it so that he could publicly recall his own "angry" experience with police? Maybe he's considering his own run for the 2016 nomination.

altho there are no stats faithfully compiled regarding use of force, there are many studies about race, bias, stop and frisk stats, etc.
and there's also tons of anecdotal evidence. it's not a rush to judgement. they live it every day.
why did obama dispatch holder? because it's a big mess over there. the county is investigating their own, which is ripe for problems right off. there's evidence coming out of past run ins there, discussion of other times where there's bias. and i have to say, this trickle of info coming out now and then is mind boggling. they took days to interview suspects, and only did so when the thing blew wide open.
as for his own 'angry' experience with police....
this is why it's so difficult to have race discussions. if someone says 'this happened to me' there are those who will dismiss it. if someone writes that it seems there is a disproportionate number of cops vs blacks as compared to other groups, they're a self hating liberal.
there was an article discussing ferguson police and stops on blacks vs whites, and the disparity in criminal finding. more often than not, the whites were actually the ones found with contraband-but everyone knows that it's more likely a black man will be stopped than a white man.
i'll never forget hearing the story of a black guy at the store (i think it was neil degrasse tyson) who went to leave, and at the exact moment he was leaving the store, a white guy went thru the security gates with him.
the alarm went off. they stopped him. not both him and the other guy...just him.

[Danzig]

i wonder if any one has ever dressed and made themselves up to look black, to see if they're treated differently....anyone know?