Pres. Administration Intentionally Lied

[dellinger63]

Saddest story I've heard so far is a 42 year old woman who had a hysterectomy in her 20's battling cancer getting cancelled because her present policy excluded maternity care. Her policy was pretty steep almost $400 a month (maybe because of cancer) but now will jump to almost $750/month.

This same woman put herself through law school while working three jobs and now has a salary above $100K making her unqualified for any subsidies.

Meanwhile the woman who works one job at McDonald's, too lazy to finish even high school needs maternity care so screw the lawyer. She's lucky someone built the road she travelled on to law school and her three jobs.

[randallscott35]

Obama care will be so bad that Democrats will want it gone eventually.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Obama care will be so bad that Democrats will want it gone eventually.

Will never happen. We're screwed. Just like Social Security - this mess isn't going anywhere. It will become more and more expensive and you'll receive less and less - but permanency it already has.

Thanks Democrats. Another stellar achievement.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Will never happen. We're screwed. Just like Social Security - this mess isn't going anywhere. It will become more and more expensive and you'll receive less and less - but permanency it already has.

Thanks Democrats. Another stellar achievement.

2014 will not be pretty for them.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

2014 will not be pretty for them.

That remains to be seen. There may be more government shutdowns ahead with the opposition's bloody fingerprints left behind as evidence.

[dellinger63]

Wait till the people who worked hard, sacrificed and saved in order to buy a home in a good neighborhood because of good schools find out they are being charged for doing so in the form of higher premiums.

That's right, families who live in the suburbs of Chicago are paying more than those near the Quad cities for the same health plans. Not because of health but because of where they live.

If Obama was a stable manager for a thoroughbred operation, the horses, the ones making money for the stable would go hungry while the feral cats, mice and rats got fat. All would share the vet's attention and treatment with the hungry horses paying for the whole bill.

How long would that last?

Insurers set the premiums, not the ACA. There's nothing new about the rate differences, other than the fact that they are now visible due to the "marketplace" that was set up.

Again, when you have insurance oompanies in the healthcare construct, you have to expect that they will act to make as much money as possible.

The ACA didn't create the problem, only exposed it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

2014 will not be pretty for them.

with the way repubs are going, i doubt the dems have a lot to worry about. with the moves made on the shutdown, women's health care, voter rights, etc...i''m not about to vote for any of those R ass clowns.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

with the way repubs are going, i doubt the dems have a lot to worry about. with the moves made on the shutdown, women's health care, voter rights, etc...i''m not about to vote for any of those R ass clowns.

THey are horrible too, no doubt...but when obama care gets going, I'm sure those clowns will get a pass.

[Danzig]

no, they won't.

the biggest reason why the repubs tried so hard to get rid of aca with their shutdown is they don't want people to get it, get used to it, and like it, and want to keep it.
it's kind of funny...the same arguments repubs have used against obamacare are the ones that were used to fight medicare, medicaid, unemployment insurance and social security-among other things.
the current health care system sucks, frankly. aca sucks too. however, we've been subsidizing others health care for years-better they have to help pay then they get 'written off' and then i pay 5 X the going rate to help pay for those with no insurance, but who got care.


all that said, i guess i'll be voting more third party candidates..or leaving ballots blank in spots.

Originally Posted by randallscott35;951330

Obama care will be so bad that Democrats will want it gone eventually.

Obamacare was designed to fail. It is a necessary rung on the ladder to single-payer, socialized medicine (Medicare for all). We will go from Obamacare, the last stand for health insurance companies, to a public option, where insurance companies bail out en masse, to the kind of universal coverage that just about every other western country provides its citizens. I won't live long enough to see it, but my children and grandchildren will.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Obamacare was designed to fail. It is a necessary rung on the ladder to single-payer, socialized medicine (Medicare for all). We will go from Obamacare, the last stand for health insurance companies, to a public option, where insurance companies bail out en masse, to the kind of universal coverage that just about every other western country provides its citizens. I won't live long enough to see it, but my children and grandchildren will.

the kind of universal coverage that SUCKS will be provided. In other words, equal access to virtually nothing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Obamacare was designed to fail. It is a necessary rung on the ladder to single-payer, socialized medicine (Medicare for all). We will go from Obamacare, the last stand for health insurance companies, to a public option, where insurance companies bail out en masse, to the kind of universal coverage that just about every other western country provides its citizens. I won't live long enough to see it, but my children and grandchildren will.

this is one of the reasons why they have the individual mandate. health insurers don't want to bail, don't wish to go out of business. it's a huge moneymaker, and there's a reason why health insurance providers stock immediately shot upwards when the scotus ruled that the aca wasn't unconstitutional.

we should have universal coverage-it's one of several glaring flaws in this country, and an embarrassment that other countries do a better job at providing health care than we do.

but hey, how 'bout that stealth destroyer. cool, isn't it?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we should have universal coverage-it's one of several glaring flaws in this country, and an embarrassment that other countries do a better job at providing health care than we do.

That's why Saudi Kings, with all the money in the world, fly to New York for medical care.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That's why Saudi Kings, with all the money in the world, fly to New York for medical care.

embarrassment that other countries do a better job at providing health care than we do.

She's talking about health care for average Joe and Joan..not heads of state.

Exactly! We do a great job for the very poor, who can walk into an emergency room anywhere, and can't be turned away, and for the very rich, who can afford the best surgeons and other medical practitioners. It's those in the middle, whether insured or not, that are poorly served.

I am in good health, but my wife is not so fortunate, as she suffers from chronic illnesses like diabetes and endocrine problems that require her to see 5-6 different doctors. Thankfully, we have excellent insurance coverage, but it never fails to amaze me that these doctors NEVER talk to each other, and will prescribe medications for her that sometimes interact poorly with each other.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by bigrun

She's talking about health care for average Joe and Joan..not heads of state.

I don't rank football teams on how many players get to play, I rank them on what they're able to do with their best.

Similar to how I rank our healthcare compared to say Britain or Canada.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

That's why Saudi Kings, with all the money in the world, fly to New York for medical care.

[Danzig]

four trophies? to celebrate that saudi kings can get medical care here, but a lot of our own citizens can't?

oh, bravo.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by joeydb

repeat.

She's talking about health care for average Joe and Joan..not heads of state