Mitt Romney's disastrous day

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is Letterman's quote: "Now, I don't care whether you're Republican or Democrat, you want your president to be telling the truth. You want the contender to be lying. (Maddow and the audience laugh). And so when we found out today or soon thereafter that, in fact, President Obama was not telling the truth about what was excerpted from that op-ed piece, I felt discouraged."

And did you read the part where Letterman's false assumption was corrected?

Guess not

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

And did you read the part where Letterman's false assumption was corrected?

Guess not

His assumption was not false. It was true. Rachel Maddow was the guest and she tried to give some more information to defend Obama, but I don't think she really succeeded. Like in almost all of these cases, there were half-truths involved. Obama knocked Romney because Romney suggested that the auto companies should declare bankruptcy, when in fact Obama let the companies declare bankruptcy. Granted, Obama's plan was slightly different from Romney, but Obama didn't mention that the Obama plan called for the companies to go bankrupt. How misleading is that?

Obama is pointing his finger at Romney and blasting Romney for wanting the auto companies to declare bankruptcy, when in fact Obama's plan was for the auto companies to declare bankruptcy. The major difference in the plans was that Obama's plan called for government help after bankruptcy. Romney's plan did not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

His assumption was not false. It was true. Rachel Maddow was the guest and she tried to give some more information to defend Obama, but I don't think she really succeeded.

Yet there is much more truthful information not related by Maddow at the time regarding Letterman's statement that shows it to be false.

[Riot]

There are two sides to every story. Even though The Washington Post doesn't like Romney and they didn't like the ad, they admitted that the ad was "factually defensible" and "technically correct".

Washington Post

Romney goes off-road with the truth

By Dana Milbank, Tuesday, October 30, 7:20 PM

Mitt Romney spoke to supporters in the Ohio town of Defiance last week, but his words came from the twin cities of Duplicity and Deception.

“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” the Republican presidential nominee proclaimed, referring to the automaker President Obama saved from dissolution with taxpayer funds. “I will fight for every good job in America.”

The truth, however, was roughly 180 degrees opposite Romney’s claim.

Chrysler, which owns the Jeep label, has added about 7,000 jobs in North America since it emerged from bankruptcy proceedings in June 2009, and it continues to expand its U.S. workforce and to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in American plants.

Romney’s fiction was apparently based on a misreading of a Bloomberg News report a few days earlier, which said that Chrysler would resume production in China for the first time since parent Fiat SpA bought the company — in addition to Chrysler’s production in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio.

“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China,” Chrysler executive Gualberto Ranieri wrote in a statement, using italics for emphasis. “A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.” Ranieri said the conclusion that it was moving all production to China was “a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.”

But in the game of trickery, Romney is exceedingly dexterous.

A couple of days later, his campaign came out with an ad in Ohio repeating the allegation in a way that tweaked the wording to make it technically true, while continuing to give the same false impression:

“Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”

Romney’s ongoing deception led Chrysler’s CEO to send a letter Tuesday to the company’s jittery employees, assuring them that “Jeep production will not be moved from the United States” and that “It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”

The restored production in China was to avoid huge tariffs on vehicles imported into China.

The fast-and-loose with Jeep points to a troubling Romney instinct: When the stakes are high, as they are for him in must-win Ohio, the truth is often the first casualty.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

there you go..you can find an article out of thin air to spin the thread anyway you want..but the public isnt fooled as we are not..and now it doesent matter.. the damage has been done..david letterman said so..thats all that people need to hear..

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

.. the damage has been done..david letterman said so..thats all that people need to hear..

Seriously? The road to the WH goes through the Ed Sullivan Theatre? Well, I know you're funnin' us, but you should be aware that Willard won't appear on Letterman's show, so that should seal his fate and cause him to resume his career as a venture (vulture?) capitalist shortly.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

there you go..you can find an article out of thin air to spin the thread anyway you want..but the public isnt fooled as we are not..and now it doesent matter.. the damage has been done..david letterman said so..thats all that people need to hear..

Yes, there's plenty of spin regarding Libya. Indeed

[Riot]

This is just sad:

Romney campaign went to Wal-Mart, bought $5000 worth of "food and relief supplies" to help stage his own "relief rally" in Ohio.

Dear god. This man lies about everything. Every. Thing.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...r-storm-relief

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Washington Post

Romney goes off-road with the truth

By Dana Milbank, Tuesday, October 30, 7:20 PM

Mitt Romney spoke to supporters in the Ohio town of Defiance last week, but his words came from the twin cities of Duplicity and Deception.

“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” the Republican presidential nominee proclaimed, referring to the automaker President Obama saved from dissolution with taxpayer funds. “I will fight for every good job in America.”

The truth, however, was roughly 180 degrees opposite Romney’s claim.

Chrysler, which owns the Jeep label, has added about 7,000 jobs in North America since it emerged from bankruptcy proceedings in June 2009, and it continues to expand its U.S. workforce and to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in American plants.

Romney’s fiction was apparently based on a misreading of a Bloomberg News report a few days earlier, which said that Chrysler would resume production in China for the first time since parent Fiat SpA bought the company — in addition to Chrysler’s production in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio.

“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China,” Chrysler executive Gualberto Ranieri wrote in a statement, using italics for emphasis. “A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.” Ranieri said the conclusion that it was moving all production to China was “a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.”

But in the game of trickery, Romney is exceedingly dexterous.

A couple of days later, his campaign came out with an ad in Ohio repeating the allegation in a way that tweaked the wording to make it technically true, while continuing to give the same false impression:

“Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”

Romney’s ongoing deception led Chrysler’s CEO to send a letter Tuesday to the company’s jittery employees, assuring them that “Jeep production will not be moved from the United States” and that “It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”

The restored production in China was to avoid huge tariffs on vehicles imported into China.

The fast-and-loose with Jeep points to a troubling Romney instinct: When the stakes are high, as they are for him in must-win Ohio, the truth is often the first casualty.

"They tweaked the wording to make it 'technically true', while continuing to give the same false impression."

That is exactly what both these campaigns do. They say things that are "technically true" but with such omissions and in such a misleading way that it gives people a false impressions. That is my definition of a half-truth. Welcome to politics! That is what we get every day from both these campaigns.

About two months ago, Biden said something that was worse than a half-truth. It was an outright lie. He told a group of mainly African-Americans, that republicans "want to put you all back in chains". I've heard Biden say some pretty ridiculous things but I think this takes the cake.

Originally Posted by Riot

Washington Post

Romney goes off-road with the truth

By Dana Milbank, Tuesday, October 30, 7:20 PM

Mitt Romney spoke to supporters in the Ohio town of Defiance last week, but his words came from the twin cities of Duplicity and Deception.

“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” the Republican presidential nominee proclaimed, referring to the automaker President Obama saved from dissolution with taxpayer funds. “I will fight for every good job in America.”

The truth, however, was roughly 180 degrees opposite Romney’s claim.

Chrysler, which owns the Jeep label, has added about 7,000 jobs in North America since it emerged from bankruptcy proceedings in June 2009, and it continues to expand its U.S. workforce and to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in American plants.

Romney’s fiction was apparently based on a misreading of a Bloomberg News report a few days earlier, which said that Chrysler would resume production in China for the first time since parent Fiat SpA bought the company — in addition to Chrysler’s production in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio.

“Let’s set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China,” Chrysler executive Gualberto Ranieri wrote in a statement, using italics for emphasis. “A careful and unbiased reading of the Bloomberg take would have saved unnecessary fantasies and extravagant comments.” Ranieri said the conclusion that it was moving all production to China was “a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats.”

But in the game of trickery, Romney is exceedingly dexterous.

A couple of days later, his campaign came out with an ad in Ohio repeating the allegation in a way that tweaked the wording to make it technically true, while continuing to give the same false impression:

“Obama took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China. Mitt Romney will fight for every American job.”

Romney’s ongoing deception led Chrysler’s CEO to send a letter Tuesday to the company’s jittery employees, assuring them that “Jeep production will not be moved from the United States” and that “It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”

The restored production in China was to avoid huge tariffs on vehicles imported into China.

Romney Wants Dwarf Vote

The Governor does not discriminate against dawrfs as does The Egyptian."I love dwarfs.They count for a full vote even though they are itty bitty, but as a fine Mormon....I want them all to know that I will fight for their right to be seen.


I mean heard."

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