who won the debate?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

I can't believe there are not more conservatives here still dancing in the streets about the last few hours of Romney's "successful" debate!

I mean, c'mon guys - "16 Pants-On-Fire Lies" by Romney? "42% False content" statements by your guy?

Throwing conservative ideology under the bus? Switching policy from what he said the day before? Making up numbers out of thin air? No tax breaks?
Embracing Obamacare?

BTW, interesting reading here, and Romney telegraphed 2 days ago he was gonna do this: "Romney Won Using a Debate Technique Called the Gish Gallop" http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...he-Gish-Gallop

I have to give Romney credit, it worked - Obama was so pissed when Romney smirked and lied and said Obamacare had Death Panels you could see the steam from Obama's ears!

C'mon guys - you have the rest of the day to bask in success, before the media, Romney himself and John Sununu on his rounds of media shows today destroy the win feel for you.

Obama's poll personal approval today is at 54%, an all-time high from 2009!

Can't wait to see Romney's post debate numbers after that epic lie fest and throwing conservative principles under the bus!

more factless crap .. your boy really showed so much 'hope' that he made everyone want a 'change'..wait till o bieden gets made to look like the bobblehead he is..you just might lose the election..

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

the only reason anyone is having fun about it is your such a obama fan..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

more factless crap .. your boy really showed so much 'hope' that he made evryone want a 'change'..wait till o bieden gets made to look like the bobblehead he is..you just might lose the election..

since you mentioned it:

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious...-declarations/

We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

■Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.
■Romney again promised to “not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans” and also to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” but didn’t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.
■Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have “gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” That’s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending.
■Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.
■Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million.
■Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office.
■Obama again said he’d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the “rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.” Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama’s health care law.
■Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have “seen their income come down by $4,300.” That’s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama’s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation.
■Obama again touted his “$4 trillion” deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event.

[Riot]

■Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.

Baloney - Romney has mentioned his $5 trillion tax cut multiple times on the trail - it's a staple of his talks. It's on video everywhere. But when asked about how he'll pay for that three times in the debate, Romney denied the tax cut statement existed. Outright lie.

Then, Romney refuses to give any "hows" of how he'll do what he promises.

And independent financial analyists have said it's mathematically impossible to "offset his rates and promise not to add to the deficit".

This is where Romney said the one thing in the debate about how he'll pay for it. He'll cut NPR and Jim Lehrers' job and Big Bird.

What an idiot.

Nice fact checker you quote there. Not very accurate.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

more factless crap .. your boy really showed so much 'hope' that he made evryone want a 'change'..wait till o bieden gets made to look like the bobblehead he is..you just might lose the election..

But I doubt it.

Yes, Romney won last night. No question. Enjoy the one day news cycle good feeling.

The blowback on Romney has already started. Winning a debate by bullying Lehrer and lying doesn't win anything more than a news cycle.

Romney has a long history of lying in all his campaigns, and people won't change and accept it in a president just because he's bullied just like he beat Perry and Gingrich in the primary debates.

And when conservatives start really paying attention to what he said moving to the center last night, let alone the lying on "that's not my position", they'll just get angry all over again.

Enjoy the day. You might even get a bump in the next poll for a day or two.

Obama is the Green Bay Packers. Romney is the Seahawks.