Now this is what I call trolling!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

What has changed in our foreign policy??? How Russian reset buttons, apologizing to other countries, bowing to murdering dictators, leading from behind, not fighting to win in Afghanistan, withdrawing from Iraq leaving a vacuum that the Iranians are filling, distancing from Israel to appease other countries who seem to respect us less anyway, waging wars without Congressional approval. Yeah Danzig nothing has changed.

Also Danzig, Obama is not an all powerful dictator, although you know he wants to be, so he can't order You Tube and Google to take down videos that aren't violating any laws. Just by asking them, he choose the feelings of murdering, extremist Islamist thugs over a fundamental right for Americans. Also why is the government all of the sudden investigating the filmmaker over an unrelated charge? Obviously to silence him to appease violent, intolerant Islamic thugs.

By the way that video has been up on You Tube for months, only idiots believe Obama's desperate story of that being the reason for the attacks. Even if it was the reason, he should be defending the free speech rights of an American.

Also have you noticed how all of these hypocrites in Hollywood don't have the guts to defend free speech rights here when they defend those rights when any anti-Christian film is made. Let's see if Bill Maher, who made an anti-Christian film and donates heavily to Obama, has the guts to defend the filmmaker here. If he doesn't, he is just another gutless Hollywood hypocrite who will offensively criticize Christianity because he knows no harm will come to him but won't defend someone's rights to criticize Islam because he is afraid of violent Islamic extremists.

our allies and enemies haven't changed a whit. and with obama's drone attacks, he certainly has taken things even further than bush did in that regard. and as for withdrawing from iraq, i'm glad we did that. it was planned before he took office, so that wasn't a change of plan on his part-it was a continuation. his style is different, the policies remain the same.
did you notice the democratic party reaffirming israel being our ally, and them going on record about jerusalem being their capital. that hasn't even been part of our official policy. another step further. saying we are 'resetting' relations with russia is a far cry from actually doing so, and at least the current admin didn't say something as ridiculously stupid as bush did when he said he 'saw in putins eyes' that he was a good guy. now, that's a stroke of naivete if i ever saw one.
we haven't fought to win in afganistan since entering that stupid war. remember, the one war expanding to two, with much of the focus being placed on iraq, where we should never have gone? and had we not gone there, you wouldn't be having the bs with iran that you have-which is exactly why bush one didn't push into iraq back with the first gulf war. and had we not invaded iraq, the focus would have remained solely on afganistan from the start. we went in with guns blazing, completely ignoring history in afganistan, and the fact that a 'war' on terror isn't exactly going to be conventionally fought...and knowing the track records for countries invading that wasteland, it would turn out a waste anyway.
and you're right, nothing has changed. which was my point. we're still involved in the morass bush started in afganistan. we're still seeing problems that came from us going into iraq. meanwhile, everything else is pretty much status quo, except maybe with egypt-and that's probably balanced by libya.


and it's not obama's 'story' that the film was the cause of the attacks. it's the cause of the protests. the attack was pre-planned, and took place when they felt an opportune moment came.
and i guess you've ignored all the people in those countries who are standing up for us, and are ashamed of what's occurred? but then, if you did, it wouldn't help your whole 'obama sucks' argument.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

our allies and enemies haven't changed a whit. and with obama's drone attacks, he certainly has taken things even further than bush did in that regard. and as for withdrawing from iraq, i'm glad we did that. it was planned before he took office, so that wasn't a change of plan on his part-it was a continuation. his style is different, the policies remain the same.
did you notice the democratic party reaffirming israel being our ally, and them going on record about jerusalem being their capital. that hasn't even been part of our official policy. another step further. saying we are 'resetting' relations with russia is a far cry from actually doing so, and at least the current admin didn't say something as ridiculously stupid as bush did when he said he 'saw in putins eyes' that he was a good guy. now, that's a stroke of naivete if i ever saw one.
we haven't fought to win in afganistan since entering that stupid war. remember, the one war expanding to two, with much of the focus being placed on iraq, where we should never have gone? and had we not gone there, you wouldn't be having the bs with iran that you have-which is exactly why bush one didn't push into iraq back with the first gulf war. and had we not invaded iraq, the focus would have remained solely on afganistan from the start. we went in with guns blazing, completely ignoring history in afganistan, and the fact that a 'war' on terror isn't exactly going to be conventionally fought...and knowing the track records for countries invading that wasteland, it would turn out a waste anyway.
and you're right, nothing has changed. which was my point. we're still involved in the morass bush started in afganistan. we're still seeing problems that came from us going into iraq. meanwhile, everything else is pretty much status quo, except maybe with egypt-and that's probably balanced by libya.


and it's not obama's 'story' that the film was the cause of the attacks. it's the cause of the protests. the attack was pre-planned, and took place when they felt an opportune moment came.
and i guess you've ignored all the people in those countries who are standing up for us, and are ashamed of what's occurred? but then, if you did, it wouldn't help your whole 'obama sucks' argument.

How can you just not laugh at these ****ing idiots and basically ignore their entire argument. How can you be for continuing these unjust wars and for entering new ones and also be against the spiraling debt? They are for the cause yet against the effect. In their mind they get to blame in either case. In reality they just look like the ****ing idiots that they are. Call them on it and they will completely spin in a different directions like cutting the size of the government which is needed but won't even come close to covering the cost of the existing and new wars. Their circular argument is more like a circle jerk with the same result, getting them off on blamin Obama for either of the results. I was going to write in Ron Paul as his views align with my own. After reading all this **** being spewed here I am now voting for Obama to cancel out a vote for Romney.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by jms62

....... I am now voting for Obama to cancel out a vote for Romney.

jms and zig don't be passive supporters - help support your guy!

http://www.yardsaleforobama.com/

[jms62]

Originally Posted by geeker2

jms and zig don't be passive supporters - help support your guy!

http://www.yardsaleforobama.com/

Are you 10? When you contribute something ANYFUKING thing of substance to any thread I will treat you with the respect you deserve which at this point is none.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

jms and zig don't be passive supporters - help support your guy!

http://www.yardsaleforobama.com/

yeah, he's not my guy. i think i'm going to do a write in for ron paul.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, he's not my guy. i think i'm going to do a write in for ron paul.

Don't waste it. Vote for the guy out of the 2 you dislike least otherwise the one you dislike most may win.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Don't waste it. Vote for the guy out of the 2 you dislike least otherwise the one you dislike most may win.

yeah, i don't view it as a waste, even tho a vote for paul won't do much overall. and it seems that romney will win arkansas, which is amazing to me. this state is still primarily democratic, but they can't stand obama. hillary would carry the state tho, had she gotten the nomination.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i don't view it as a waste, even tho a vote for paul won't do much overall. and it seems that romney will win arkansas, which is amazing to me. this state is still primarily democratic, but they can't stand obama. hillary would carry the state tho, had she gotten the nomination.

I thought about this a bit more and realize that my anybody but Romney is as narrow minded as the anti Obama clowns. I am going to listen to how Romney is going increase jobs, reduce out sourcing and the destruction of the middle class. If I think it is workable i will vote for him. Cutting taxes on the "job creators" and business assuming they will create quality jobs is not a workable solution. I want to see punitive measures aginst the process. I want to see tariffs equal to what american companies pay. I want to see companies taxed heavily for shipping jobs out of the country. Policies of the 1970's no longer are viable.

[Thepaindispenser]

Nobody in their right mind goes from voting for Ron Paul to Obama as you couldn't find two more opposite candidates so you aren't fooling anyone JMS. Apparently you aren't too bright either as I wasn't endorsing our previous foreign policy, I was just merely pointing out the differences which are clear. Maybe you should try a reading comprehension class.

I would like to see Ron Paul as President but I am a grown up instead of a whining little baby and realize it isn't going to happen this year.

Obama is the biggest threat to our liberties since FDR, plus he is completely incompetent in managing the economy and in foreign policies. He has to go or we will really regret it.

jMS go ahead and vote for Obama as you are just as big of a fraud as him.

Danzig I was against the Iraq war from the beginning but at least Bush went to Congress for approval I was also against the Libyan war and now look at the mess it has created. But since we were already in Iraq, a sensible pullout would be expected but Obama's pullout is solely for election purposes and that vacuum is being filled by Iran.

Danzig you are ok with drone attacks into another country where innocent people are indiscriminately killed? Something tells me that you wouldn't feel the same way if Bush was behind them.

Again I wasn't taking a stance on Israel, I was just merely pointing out differences in foreign policy. Please don't pretend for one second that Democrat party affirmed Jeresalem as the capital of Israel, even on the third vote the nays clearly drowned out the yeahs.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

Don't waste it. Vote for the guy out of the 2 you dislike least otherwise the one you dislike most may win.

i'm sick and tired of everyone saying a vote for a third party is a waste.

And people wonder why 3rd parties never gain any traction..

I think it is a waste to vote against your principles.


There is no lesser of the two evils between Romney and Obama.

Romney is everything Zig pointed out on this thread that he is.

Obama is not much different.

My friends kid turned one on saturday and they had a picnic in the park. There was a converstion between the all of the adults at the party. apparently I was the only one at the damn birthday party that is not on foodstamps. The convo went something like this.

"hey did you know you can buy hot food on your stamps now? pre made chicken and ribs"
"there's a store in town that will sell you beer and cigarettes on your food stamps now"
"this is all changed because of Obama.. he needs to stay in office, we need to vote for him. Whatever that other guys name is will try and take our food stamps and Obama gives it to us and expands it"


believe me, there will be plenty of idiot obama votes to cancel off the equally idiotic romney votes.

nothing will EVER change if we just keep of voting for the "lesser of the two evils"

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

My friends kid turned one on saturday and they had a picnic in the park. There was a converstion between the all of the adults at the party. apparently I was the only one at the damn birthday party that is not on foodstamps. The convo went something like this.

"hey did you know you can buy hot food on your stamps now? pre made chicken and ribs"
"there's a store in town that will sell you beer and cigarettes on your food stamps now"
"this is all changed because of Obama.. he needs to stay in office, we need to vote for him. Whatever that other guys name is will try and take our food stamps and Obama gives it to us and expands it"

When I walk into a Bodega to get coffee and see folks ringing up $10 prepared specialty hero's and specialty pizza slices, single serve haagen-daz ice creams, red bulls, maybe a Starbucks canned cappuchino all on their "card". Step 2 is to pay cash for beers, smokes and lottery tix. Makes my head want to explode.

I get providing nutritionally sound staples to families that need that kind of help, but how we got to this current point is really beyond me...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Romney is everything Zig pointed out on this thread that he is.

Obama is not much different.

Those two candidates are polar opposites on every social issue, and the major financial ones.

Libertarian is much closer, philosophically-speaking, to liberal than conservatives on social issues; on financial they are opposite.

I agree I wish there were strong third parties still around as decades ago.

"hey did you know you can buy hot food on your stamps now? pre made chicken and ribs"
"there's a store in town that will sell you beer and cigarettes on your food stamps now"
"this is all changed because of Obama.. he needs to stay in office, we need to vote for him. Whatever that other guys name is will try and take our food stamps and Obama gives it to us and expands it"

??? No, nothing about what is received on food stamps was changed by Obama. Voters are ignorant.

nothing will EVER change if we just keep of voting for the "lesser of the two evils"

That's why I no longer will vote for conservatives as I have my whole life. Their policies have failed. But that is why I am voting for progressivism.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, he's not my guy. i think i'm going to do a write in for ron paul.

Zig...it was a joke

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Zig...it was a joke

i figured; no worries!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

How can you just not laugh at these ****ing idiots and basically ignore their entire argument. How can you be for continuing these unjust wars and for entering new ones and also be against the spiraling debt? They are for the cause yet against the effect. In their mind they get to blame in either case. In reality they just look like the ****ing idiots that they are. Call them on it and they will completely spin in a different directions like cutting the size of the government which is needed but won't even come close to covering the cost of the existing and new wars. Their circular argument is more like a circle jerk with the same result, getting them off on blamin Obama for either of the results. I was going to write in Ron Paul as his views align with my own. After reading all this **** being spewed here I am now voting for Obama to cancel out a vote for Romney.

yeah, i know it.
imo there is a complete lack of logic in many of the posts here. there's emotion, but not much actual thought.
if people are angry about the deficit, why would you vote for someone who wishes to grow defense?
if you are worried about taxes, why would you vote for someone whose primary tax plan is to cut taxes for the richest? you know, the ones paying less taxes than ever, and yet there's no correlating job growth?
if you are concerned about medicare, why would you vote for someone who advocates a voucher system?
if you're concerned about foreign affairs, why would you vote for someone who hasn't got a clue about foreign affairs?
if you're concerned about our standing in the world, why would you vote for someone who rushes to a press release without having the full story? how does that connote good leadership? i've heard of strike while the iron is hot, but the fire hadn't even been lit yet.
if you're unhappy with how banking completely effed up the economy, why would you vote for the guy who wants to remove regulations on banks?
if the republican party couldn't find someone better than that idiot, it doesn't say much for the future of the gop.