Saturday Saratoga Race Card

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

The usual standards? Let me ask you this. If all the same horses were running but they called all four 20000 claimers AOCs instead, would there be such an outcry? Or what if instead they replaced them all with five and six horse NW2X and 3X races or some made up overnight stake, the Karakorum Crapbag, shall we call it? Would it be better then? Look at the full calendar. This is the "off" weekend caused by repositioning the major races for TV, which was supposed to be a good thing.

Yeah, it's not as strong as all the other weekends. I just don't get the crying. If you don't lke the card there's a lot of other tracks going that day. Frankly on first glance I didn't see too many I liked either and I'm going to be up there. Maybe I'll play one or two and then go drink beers and watch the ball game instead, but I'm not going to whine about it. So give us a list then of all the tracks that have a better card going that day. Already seen Del Mar doesn't, so I'm thinking that list is pretty short. Give it a couple days, it will be better, whatever that means.

I wasn't whining or crying, I stated a fact. I live in Saratoga and have been going to the track for 35 years, this is not the type of card that should be run on a Saturday. I understand on a Mon, Wed or Thur. but not Saturday. They have been running 10 and 11 race cards with full fields every day, so they obviously have enough horses on the grounds. I agree about the great betting opportunity's and I'll bet the card anyway, not my point.

The point is that this is supposed to be the premier meet in the country. They only run 40 days, the SATURDAY card should not consist of 6 $20,000 claiming/md claiming races. Stop carding 10 and 11 races on Mon, Wed, Thu, might not have this problem.

[Cannon Shell]

If we can't complain on horse racing boards what will there be to talk about?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If we can't complain on horse racing boards what will there be to talk about?

Thank you.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If we can't complain on horse racing boards what will there be to talk about?

The 1896 Brooklyn Handicap.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If we can't complain on horse racing boards what will there be to talk about?

More unlikely 4 race winning streak ...

I'll Have Another (Bob Lewis at 43/1, SA Derby at 4/1, Derby at 15/1, and Preakness at 3/1)

Or...






Pico Central --- ( Alw win at 37/1, San Carlos win at 43/1, Carter win at 4/1, Met Mile win at 3/1 plus every nickle of the breakage) in his first four starts after arriving from Gavea.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

More unlikely 4 race winning streak ...

I'll Have Another (Bob Lewis at 43/1, SA Derby at 4/1, Derby at 15/1, and Preakness at 3/1)

Or...


Pico Central --- ( Alw win at 37/1, San Carlos win at 43/1, Carter win at 4/1, Met Mile win at 3/1 plus every nickle of the breakage) in his first four starts after arriving from Gavea.

Pico Central in a romp.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Pico Central in a romp.

Because Solis was up for 2 of those wins, right?

[pointman]

Personally I will take a $20K claimer with a full field over a stake with a 6 horse field with one horse that overmatches the field at less then even money and two horses will scratch.

Those $20K claimers can yield some nice prices.

[richard]

Exactly. They are still competitive races and as challenging to handicap as any.

[Alan07]

Originally Posted by mark2061mn

The point is that this is supposed to be the premier meet in the country. They only run 40 days, the SATURDAY card should not consist of 6 $20,000 claiming/md claiming races. Stop carding 10 and 11 races on Mon, Wed, Thu, might not have this problem.

We wouldn't be seeing these over-the-top 11 and 12 races card if NYRA wasn't being blown up after the meet is over. There are not enough horses to fill competitive races 5 & 6 days a week now (nationally, not just NY) unless you tap into the cheap claimers, and only going to get worse as the foal crops continue to decline. Be lucky the slots are still supporting purses.

[PatCummings]

I just don't know why everything needs to be a superlative.

I think it has to do with our society and the need to provide immediate context on everything - there is absolutely no arguing this Saturday's Saratoga card doesn't have the same degree of quality of other traditional weekend cards in the past. So - for that, it's impossible to disagree.

Now, is it a problem? I don't think so.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I just don't know why everything needs to be a superlative.

I think it has to do with our society and the need to provide immediate context on everything - there is absolutely no arguing this Saturday's Saratoga card doesn't have the same degree of quality of other traditional weekend cards in the past. So - for that, it's impossible to disagree.

Now, is it a problem? I don't think so.

Impossible to disagree? You did exactly that on your first post on the thread.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by jms62

Impossible to disagree? You did exactly that on your first post on the thread.

No, not really.

I complained about people complaining about claiming races at Saratoga on a Saturday. Factually, it is unarguable that there are more claiming races this Saturday than any of the Saturday's before and likely after. I accept and understand the card is this way, and rather choose to enjoy racing at Saratoga no matter what is thrown out there.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

No, not really.

I complained about people complaining about claiming races at Saratoga on a Saturday. Factually, it is unarguable that there are more claiming races this Saturday than any of the Saturday's before and likely after. I accept and understand the card is this way, and rather choose to enjoy racing at Saratoga no matter what is thrown out there.

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I knew it was a matter of time before someone complained. Predictable. Take a look at the previous weekends at the meet. You write the races for the horses you have and can fill - they may have pushed a bit hard the first few weeks, but given that this is the only weekend without a G1, maybe it's a bit of a sacrifice. Surely we can make it through...

I'll take a "bad" Saturday, which I contend it actually isn't, over a good day just about anywhere else.

You can spin it anway you like. IMO if you had answered the guys post like NTAMM did (tactfully) I believe the issue would have been wrapped up after that. Saratoga usually has a mid meet weekend that is slower than the rest. Your response was more of attack the poster and dismiss their claims out of hand. This is a typical and "predictable" response by many in the industry in this situation. Kudos to Cannon for his candor.