Entire ACA upheld by Supreme Court

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Happy happy joy joy...a surprise but finally some good news!

Too bad I couldn't delay my knee replacement until the ACA consumer protections kicked in - my insurance company couldn't have been able to refuse to pay 6 months after they approved me for the operation, and thus cost me thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket.

But at least now the insurance companies can no longer refuse to cover me for arthritis and asthma for the next 50 years

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Originally Posted by Riot

Too bad I couldn't delay my knee replacement until the ACA consumer protections kicked in - my insurance company couldn't have been able to refuse to pay 6 months after they approved me for the operation, and thus cost me thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket.

But at least now the insurance companies can no longer refuse to cover me for arthritis and asthma for the next 50 years

Yeah, now the rich can be taxed until they have nothing left so you don't have to pay anything out of your pocket! How great!

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What a scary decision this really is, there is now really no limit to what the government can do. Wonder how many jobs will be lost over this debacle.

The silver lining for this is that this will be just one more nail in the coffin that is Obama's chances of being re-elected.

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Originally Posted by pointman

Yeah, now the rich can be taxed until they have nothing left so you don't have to pay anything out of your pocket! How great!

The passage of the ACA has nothing to do with taxing the rich. Good lord, that's a crazy statement. Straight out of "Republican Lie Land". No. This is not a $5 billion dollar "tax on America".

And PS: you can't read. I said, " ... and thus cost me thousands and thousands of dollars out of pocket." I paid for my own medical care. Your statement is absurd.

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Originally Posted by Riot

The passage of the ACA has nothing to do with taxing the rich. Good lord, that's a crazy statement. Straight out of "Republican Lie Land". No. This is not a $5 billion dollar "tax on America".

Really, who is going to pay for it? I can assure you it won't be the insurance companies.

Since the word tax has been redefined this morning, I guess the Obama method of piling on to the deficit, then falsely claiming you did not add to it with nonsensical pie charts and ridiculous accounting methods, then leaving it for later generations to deal with can now be defined as a tax.

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Originally Posted by pointman

Really, who is going to pay for it? I can assure you it won't be the insurance companies.

Since the word tax has been redefined this morning, I guess the Obama method of piling on to the deficit, then falsely claiming you did not add to it with nonsensical pie charts and ridiculous accounting methods, then leaving it for later generations to deal with can now be defined as a tax.

There, there. Your head is exploding.

Don't worry - that is no longer considered an uninsurable pre-existing condition thanks to Obamacare

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Originally Posted by Riot

There, there. Your head is exploding.

Don't worry - that is no longer considered an uninsurable pre-existing condition thanks to Obamacare

My head is far from exploding. You are too stupid to understand why this decision is the actual nightmare it is. Everyone here has already learned that there is no explaining anything to you so I won't bother wasting my time.

Gloat you pig. We will all be back in November when your worst nightmare begins, a Mitt Romney presidency with at least one, if not both, houses Republican.

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Originally Posted by pointman

My head is far from exploding. You are too stupid to understand why this decision is the actual nightmare it is. Everyone here has already learned that there is no explaining anything to you so I won't bother wasting my time.

Gloat you pig. We will all be back in November when your worst nightmare begins, a Mitt Romney presidency with at least one, if not both, houses Republican.

Naw. Your head is exploding

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Originally Posted by pointman

Yeah, now the rich can be taxed until they have nothing left so you don't have to pay anything out of your pocket! How great!

except most of us who do the paying aren't rich. why they didn't just do single payer is beyond me. that ends the health care provider system. that also removes having all those have to make a profit, which also removes that expense.
good lord, who is going to pay for all this now? oh, wait..i know. the same ones who already pay for everything. it just makes that amount grow.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

except most of us who do the paying aren't rich. why they didn't just do single payer is beyond me. that ends the health care provider system. that also removes having all those have to make a profit, which also removes that expense.

Republicans wouldn't allow it.

Good lord, who is going to pay for all this now? oh, wait..i know.

The same funding plan as was included in the law when it was passed two years ago, and has been occurring ever since.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

except most of us who do the paying aren't rich. why they didn't just do single payer is beyond me. that ends the health care provider system. that also removes having all those have to make a profit, which also removes that expense.
good lord, who is going to pay for all this now? oh, wait..i know. the same ones who already pay for everything. it just makes that amount grow.

Zig, my sarcasm was aimed at how the board troll looks at it. Of course most of who will pay it are those that work their butts off and can't afford to pay for those that refuse to.

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Originally Posted by pointman

Zig, my sarcasm was aimed at how the board troll looks at it. Of course most of who will pay it are those that work their butts off and can't afford to pay for those that refuse to.

yeah, i know. everyone knows that something had to be done to fix the health care mess.
you'd think more would be unhappy that obama made a deal with pharma and the health insurers to produce this bloated abortion of a health 'fix'. but, hey, why worry? this only will cause current medicaid spendiing to explode-and many states are already hurting with their current budget. so, eventually taxes will have to be increased dramatically to pay for all these 'fixes'.

better to have taken a hit jobs-wise in the short run (bcbs, aetna, humana, etc would all have shut down) and have a proper fix in the long run. but no, let's just make a confusing patchwork of rules and regulations and subsidize a family of four with almost 70k in income, we'll worry about how to pay for it all later.
so, i'll keep paying monthly for health insurance, as i always have. i won't see any price decreases...but there will be a corresponding increase in taxes, because how else will increased medicaid and those subsidies be paid for? it would have been better to just have everyone pay a tax for health care, cradle to grave coverage, because then i wouldn't have hundreds per month going to united healthcare anymore. i'll still have that to pay, and new taxes coming as well.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i know. everyone knows that something had to be done to fix the health care mess.
you'd think more would be unhappy that obama made a deal with pharma and the health insurers to produce this bloated abortion of a health 'fix'. but, hey, why worry? this only will cause current medicaid spendiing to explode-and many states are already hurting with their current budget. so, eventually taxes will have to be increased dramatically to pay for all these 'fixes'.

better to have taken a hit jobs-wise in the short run (bcbs, aetna, humana, etc would all have shut down) and have a proper fix in the long run. but no, let's just make a confusing patchwork of rules and regulations and subsidize a family of four with almost 70k in income, we'll worry about how to pay for it all later.
so, i'll keep paying monthly for health insurance, as i always have. i won't see any price decreases...but there will be a corresponding increase in taxes, because how else will increased medicaid and those subsidies be paid for? it would have been better to just have everyone pay a tax for health care, cradle to grave coverage, because then i wouldn't have hundreds per month going to united healthcare anymore. i'll still have that to pay, and new taxes coming as well.

But haven't you heard, 40 million more Americans are going to get health insurance coverage and the cost of healtcare is going to go down!

I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale, great price.

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Originally Posted by pointman

But haven't you heard, 40 million more Americans are going to get health insurance coverage and the cost of healtcare is going to go down!

I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale, great price.

It's sad you don't believe in free-market capitalism.

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Originally Posted by pointman

But haven't you heard, 40 million more Americans are going to get health insurance coverage and the cost of healtcare is going to go down!

I have a bridge in Brooklyn that is for sale, great price.

that's impossible and illogical to assume. but i know that's not your thinking.
there's no way the cost of healthcare will go down. insurance companies are just chomping at the bit to add to their roles-but that also adds to the claims they will be paying.
then there's the mound of 'freebies' added on that will be covered 'at no cost'- but that cost will be included in the premiums.
kids to age 26 on their parents' policies-another increase(as an aside, why 26? kids are into their majority by then, by several years). i had all three of my children by age 26-i'm sure my parents would have been thrilled to have had to pay for me to be on their policy all that time, rather than on my husbands. no doubt the with child portion of said policy would have paid for all that maternity care.
congress said the price tag for this new program must be under one trillion dollars. cbo already adjusted that tag to over one trillion earlier this year. in other words, congress was duped.