dear bernardini fans....

[The Bid]

It depends who you ask. My guys come up with 108 and they are the best in the business. Andy Beyers guys come up with 116, which I think is high. If the 116 is right, its Invasors highest number ever...... off 90 days. Not impossible, but I wouldnt think it probable. To me the 108 is more realistic.

[The Bid]

Yes, believe it or not Beyer numbers arent ALWAYS what you see in the form. Guys who make the numbers realize this to be the truth. You would be amazed how many times Ive seen late money come in on horses with skewed beyers in the form. Of course I know the real numbers, but the general public doesnt have that information. What Im saying is the skewed horse will take all the action, while a horse with a hidden beyer takes all the late smart money. The legit figure wins the race, and the publics choice gets a hamsandwich.

I believe the Classic numbers are incorrect as published, yes. Infact I think half the card is wrong

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Yes, believe it or not Beyer numbers arent ALWAYS what you see in the form. Guys who make the numbers realize this to be the truth. You would be amazed how many times Ive seen late money come in on horses with skewed beyers in the form. Of course I know the real numbers, but the general public doesnt have that information. What Im saying is the skewed horse will take all the action, while a horse with a hidden beyer takes all the late smart money. The legit figure wins the race, and the publics choice gets a hamsandwich.

I believe the Classic numbers are incorrect as published, yes. Infact I think half the card is wrong

This is classic stuff. I will have to read this one to Beyer personally.

If people knew the REAL truth about Beyer, and his dedication and belief in his numbers, posts of this ilk would be all the more hilarious.

[The Bid]

Blackthroat, since your such good friends with those guys, who makes the numbers at CHD, they are horrible.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Blackthroat, since your such good friends with those guys, who makes the numbers at CHD, they are horrible.

What track is CHD?

Besides, you have just claimed to know the inner workings at Beyer Associates, accusing them of purposely misleading the public. You obviously don't need me as a pipeline to anyone there and certainly aren't going to get any help from me.

[The Bid]

CHD is Churchill downs. Blackthroat, there is no doubt in my mind the numbers are off, and have been off there on a regular basis.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

CHD is Churchill downs. Blackthroat, there is no doubt in my mind the numbers are off, and have been off there on a regular basis.

Never thought that CD's beyers were out of whack. Now Delaware Park on the other hand...

[todko]

Originally Posted by The Bid

It depends who you ask. My guys come up with 108 and they are the best in the business. Andy Beyers guys come up with 116, which I think is high. If the 116 is right, its Invasors highest number ever...... off 90 days. Not impossible, but I wouldnt think it probable. To me the 108 is more realistic.

Speed figures are a complete waste of time. I could tape over the speed figures on my pps (I don't look at them anyway), bet on raw running times and be more successful than these speed figure nimrods.

You can't quantify track variants just because a maiden $25K race runs 2/5ths slower than par and then say that a stakes horse that runs 2/5ths faster than par deserves a higher speed figure because "the track was slow that day". It might have just been a bad bunch of maiden $25k horses.

On days like the BC day there is no way to judge track variant because most of the races are stakes races anyway. And you can't judge this year's races against pars from last year or even the last 10 years.

Without an accurate track variant you can't produce a speed figure. Speed figures are worthless. They always have been.

Beyer got rich off this crap. Notice how he came up with speed figs for poly at TP yet there were no pars to begin with. Think that's a flawed methodology? You bet it is. And people dumb enough to take his (or anyone else's speed figures) seriously lost their shirts betting on the poly.

Around March 15th TP scraped 3 inches off the poly to speed up the track and reduce the kickback. You think Beyer even knew about that?

Try it some time. Place a piece of tape over the speed figure column and handicap. You'll see what I mean.

If people like Beyer and some of the others worked in the financial services industry they would be in jail for fraud.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Excellent post and right on the money..............

Thank God a voice of reason has shown up.

Lemme guess, just finished up having drinks with Bea Arthur?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Actually I heard Betty White and JJ Walker were there as well. Wow, a real life celebrity on the board.

Sue Ann Nivens and Kid Dyn-O-Mite??????

I love them!

I'm heading out to Beverly Hills....stay tuned.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Tell Bobby I said hi!!

Will do.

Gotta run. The copter is picking me up on the roof and I'm heading out.

Beverly Hills here I come!