BC: Familiar Storylines Highlight, Mar Cup

[Danzig]

after reading lately about poly, days like this are supposedly one of the things it rids us of.
this has nothing to do with me advocating poly(far from sold on it) but i did read that rain has an inluence, that recent rains and a drying track can produce a bias just like the one we say yesterday. i'm sure it's a combination of factors that gave us that track....

[Danzig]

The races were run over a main track that will undoubtedly receive ample criticism in upcoming days, and not only for the injuries suffered by Pine Island and Fleet Indian in the Distaff. The rail was clearly the place to be for most of the day, and affected the races to such a degree that the first four Breeders' Cup races on the dirt were won by horses who stayed on the rail the whole way.

It could even be argued that the early results affected the pace of the Classic. Brother Derek, starting from the rail, set off at a hot pace, with Lawyer Ron and Lava Man in close pursuit. Invasor and Bernardini came around horses, making an impact through a final half-mile that was run in more than 51 seconds.
--that's from an article on drf this morning.

[Cannon Shell]

The track on Sat was the same as it was on friday. The inside was good but otherwise pretty even. Closers won, speed horses won. It was not overly fast and had plenty of moisture in it. I cant see where the problem lies? Do you honestly think that CD said screw the speed bias, lets make the rail golden? Thors echo was 3 wide around the turn, Dreaming of Anna was the favorite and on the lead, round Pond got a great trip behind a speed duel and is arguably as good as any other filly on her best day, Invasor was at least 3 or 4 wide, Bernadini made his move from the outside, Circular Quay ran a good second despite being hung wide, Asi Sempre, Happy ticket and Balletto were all wide and ran well. As for the jocks comments, What are they supposed to say? I rode bad or the horse sucked or the trainer did a bad job??? Blame the track, it wont answer back or take you off future mounts. Maybe if some of the horses actually trained over the track a bit they would have handled it better?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The track on Sat was the same as it was on friday. The inside was good but otherwise pretty even. Closers won, speed horses won. It was not overly fast and had plenty of moisture in it. I cant see where the problem lies? Do you honestly think that CD said screw the speed bias, lets make the rail golden? Thors echo was 3 wide around the turn, Dreaming of Anna was the favorite and on the lead, round Pond got a great trip behind a speed duel and is arguably as good as any other filly on her best day, Invasor was at least 3 or 4 wide, Bernadini made his move from the outside, Circular Quay ran a good second despite being hung wide, Asi Sempre, Happy ticket and Balletto were all wide and ran well. As for the jocks comments, What are they supposed to say? I rode bad or the horse sucked or the trainer did a bad job??? Blame the track, it wont answer back or take you off future mounts. Maybe if some of the horses actually trained over the track a bit they would have handled it better?

The stupidest comment I have seen on here since June.Yeah,Thors Echo came off the rail in the stretch,but he sat the rest of the race down on the rail.Corey said he just had so much horse down there..etc. etc..This is a horse who has gotten here by outworking other horses(not because he has given jocks "a ton of horse.")Try looking at Scat Daddy's race.He is doing fine until he is taken off the rail on the far turn,and was forced to make a move outside of horses.Then it's over.Same for C.Quay.He came into the stretch with similiar run as "STREET" did.Yet,he went outside,and " Street" was able to get down to get on the concrete rail.All the sudden there is a 10 length difference.I think "STREET" is a deserving winner of that race,but the 10 length margin is due to the concrete on the rail(or quicksand outside,) or both.You don't want a track that unfair on B.C. DAY.It would be one thing to have a track some horses struggle on,but then there was also an incredible inside bias as well.That track yesterday was way over the line.Those results of races run yesterday on the dirt are "a toss" to me. I was not one who thought Bernadini was all that much better than those horses yesterday,but that loss yesterday proves nothing to me.I was not one who thought Henny Hughes was unbeatable yesterday,but that loss yesterday means nothing to me.To me,they never ran.The results(for cap'n purposes) don't exist.

[Downthestretch55]

Thanks Steve for your well written post.
I tried to start something similar with the "triumph and tragedies" one, but you did it much better.
On the nybreds.com site, they said that Friendly Island was the best bet of the day. Nice to see a NY bred run so well.
Good analysis, and props for your Street Sense pick.
Thanks.
DTS

[Dunbar]

Very nicely written piece. I especially enjoyed reading the F&M Turf.

--Dunbar

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The stupidest comment I have seen on here since June.Yeah,Thors Echo came off the rail in the stretch,but he sat the rest of the race down on the rail.Corey said he just had so much horse down there..etc. etc..This is a horse who has gotten here by outworking other horses(not because he has given jocks "a ton of horse.")Try looking at Scat Daddy's race.He is doing fine until he is taken off the rail on the far turn,and was forced to make a move outside of horses.Then it's over.Same for C.Quay.He came into the stretch with similiar run as "STREET" did.Yet,he went outside,and " Street" was able to get down to get on the concrete rail.All the sudden there is a 10 length difference.I think "STREET" is a deserving winner of that race,but the 10 length margin is due to the concrete on the rail(or quicksand outside,) or both.You don't want a track that unfair on B.C. DAY.It would be one thing to have a track some horses struggle on,but then there was also an incredible inside bias as well.That track yesterday was way over the line.Those results of races run yesterday on the dirt are "a toss" to me. I was not one who thought Bernadini was all that much better than those horses yesterday,but that loss yesterday proves nothing to me.I was not one who thought Henny Hughes was unbeatable yesterday,but that loss yesterday means nothing to me.To me,they never ran.The results(for cap'n purposes) don't exist.

I have to disagree. There have been at leat 3 or 4 posts that were more stupid than mine
I hate to inform you but the track was pretty much the same today as it was yesterday as it was on Friday.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Thors Echo came off the rail in the stretch,but he sat the rest of the race down on the rail.

"edged closer while 3 wide on the turn" from drf chart
So you are saying that he was off the rail in the stretch and the chartcaller has him 3 wide on the turn. Seems like he wasn't exactly scraping paint the whole way.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"edged closer while 3 wide on the turn" from drf chart
So you are saying that he was off the rail in the stretch and the chartcaller has him 3 wide on the turn. Seems like he wasn't exactly scraping paint the whole way.

I'm saying he won the race on the backstretch on the rail(while the others were struggling with the track.)If you think that #1,and #2 coming top two in there is based on ability then I can't disagree more.Un f'n believable how you can have 4 straight #1 horse winners on dirt,but still have somebody think it was a minor issue.What's next? The sky isn't blue.It just appears to be blue?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I'm saying he won the race on the backstretch on the rail(while the others were struggling with the track.)If you think that #1,and #2 coming top two in there is based on ability then I can't disagree more.Un f'n believable how you can have 4 straight #1 horse winners on dirt,but still have somebody think it was a minor issue.What's next? The sky isn't blue.It just appears to be blue?

The first winner was the favorite who got an easy lead. The second winner came from 13th saved ground and was clearly best regardless of bias or not, the third winner spent 4 of 6 furlongs at least 3 wide and the fourth winner had a perfect trip behind a speed duel while her 2 chief challengers broke down and the horses who were 2nd, 3rd and 4th were banging into each other while 6 to 8 wide. The 5th winner was 5 wide for the last 5 furlongs, the 2nd place horse never saw the rail.

[randallscott35]

Saylor discusses the track bias which you must have missed Canon while you were on the toilet.

http://bc.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=36248