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[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I don't think he has a case against ESPN, he failed the drug test and they reported it. Why he failed is not their problem, the info they reported is accurate. He may be exonerated by MLB but it won' t make his test results change.

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

[jms62]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

What can they do?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What can they do?

MLB can do nothing, hope Braun doesn't sue them, which he won't because it isn't good to sue your employer

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by jms62

Providing MLB with a lie detector proves that he can beat a lie detector nothing more. Did he take it only once witout using anti-anxiety meds? IMO tihis is a horrible precident if MLB caves.

Learn the facts my friend about what happened. MLB has no leg to stand on. They are lucky Braun doesn't sue MLB for defamation. Listen to Braun's press conference and what they learned about how things were handled, specifically how the sample was mishandled. Braun and his lawyer had to go after the testing process because that was the only way to be exonerated. If you know Ryan or if you have followed him and his career at all you would not believe him to be a juicer. He is either the best liar ever or he is speaking from his heart and the truth. If he did take PED's he could have just admitted some wrong doing and just take the punishment and blame the system. He has a 9yr guaranteed contract. The test results shouldn't have been leaked and the way the sample was handled was very suspect.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Learn the facts my friend about what happened. MLB has no leg to stand on. They are lucky Braun doesn't sue MLB for defamation. Listen to Braun's press conference and what they learned about how things were handled, specifically how the sample was mishandled. Braun and his lawyer had to go after the testing process because that was the only way to be exonerated. If you know Ryan or if you have followed him and his career at all you would not believe him to be a juicer. He is either the best liar ever or he is speaking from his heart and the truth. If he did take PED's he could have just admitted some wrong doing and just take the punishment and blame the system. He has a 9yr guaranteed contract. The test results shouldn't have been leaked and the way the sample was handled was very suspect.

He does not appear to me to be a juicer and I believe him. My point to you was passing a lie detector is not "proving innocense" it simply is passing a lie detector especially one privately done. Thinking about this more MLB can do nothing but hopefully tighten its procedures so this cant happen again. Drug testing is good for the game.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.

[3kings]

[quote=Cannon Shell;841012]He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.[/QUOTE


Do you think he will be as productive with no Fielder plus the added scrutiny?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=3kings;841036]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.[/QUOTE


Do you think he will be as productive with no Fielder plus the added scrutiny?

Probably. "Protection" is a myth for the most part especially when the batter behind him bats from a different side. The guy has been ultra consistent and hits everywhere and everyone. He may get a few less pitches to hit, take more walks, etc but his season last year really wasnt that much different than his other 4 other than he stole more bases and struckout less. What is interesting is that his K rate has decreased with his walk rate has remained identical. His BABIP (batting average on balls in play) was high .350 but isnt far off his lifetime average of .339. He has improved as a hitter but his power numbers have been pretty static. Everyone deals with pressure differently but I would guess he will continue to hit.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...=OF#battedball

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...raunry02.shtml

[jms62]

Mets players take on Braun could be summed up in one emoticon

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1028102

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by jms62

Mets players take on Braun could be summed up in one emoticon

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1028102

The Mets should worry about trying to win 70 games this year.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

I am bias as a brewer fan and a big fan of Braun, but will bet his numbers will not drop off and may improve this year playing with a chip on his shoulder. They lost fielder but got A. Ramirez. Look at his stats. They are very consistent just getting some national attention since the crew finally got some pitching last year. Here are his numbers. Pretty consistent since coming to the Majors at 23yrs of age

2007 .324, 34 hr, 97 rbi, .634 slugging
2008 .285, 37 hr., 106 RBi, .553 slugging
2009 .320, 32 hr, 114 rbi, .551 slugging
2010 .304, 25 hr, 103 rbi, .501 slugging
2011 .332, 33 hr, 111 rbi, .597 slugging

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

Take a look at Braun's numbers so far in 2012. Not too shabby with no help around him

.331 average 11 hrs, 28 RBI's .402 OBP

Ramirez behind him is batting .218
weeks infront .154, morgan infront .214

So much for his numbers dropping. Anyone still think he was juicing?

[slotdirt]

*raises hand*

I sure do. Then again, I've never believed the Palmeiros and Contadors of the world when they tried to explain away their positives.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

*raises hand*

I sure do. Then again, I've never believed the Palmeiros and Contadors of the world when they tried to explain away their positives.

I do too and also believe he is probably still "juicing" to some extent. Jucing is a very vague term. Can we all agree that most athletes (as well as horse trainers) push the envelope as far as they can? Some occasionally get caught. I guess it is not juicing if you don't get caught.

The name of the game is winning and people will take every advantage they can get. Sometimes they push it too far.

Pay the consequences as dictated by the sport you are participating in and move on.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Take a look at Braun's numbers so far in 2012. Not too shabby with no help around him

.331 average 11 hrs, 28 RBI's .402 OBP

Ramirez behind him is batting .218
weeks infront .154, morgan infront .214

So much for his numbers dropping. Anyone still think he was juicing?

Yes, I think he was juicing. It's a long season and steroids help the most with recovery. Let's just hope the cheating prick starts breaking down like the rest of the cheaters when they quit. He is younger than most cheaters so it may take a little longer.

[declansharbor]

Count me as one who DOESNT believe he was/is cheating, even before he vehemently denied the accusations.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Yes, I think he was juicing. It's a long season and steroids help the most with recovery. Let's just hope the cheating prick starts breaking down like the rest of the cheaters when they quit. He is younger than most cheaters so it may take a little longer.

Wow you have some hate for Braun.

[slotdirt]

I also think he'd probably been "juicing" in some form or fashion for his entire career, but what do I know?