2/25 (FG): Risen Star (G2), Mineshaft, Rachel, FG H. (G3's)

[Hoist Her Flag]

Take Charge Indy has not had a published work since that Allowance Race. At this point that is not good.

[my miss storm cat]

Nice fields and great betting races!

I'm not sold on El Padrino. Maybe that's foolish.

Hoping Mr. Bowling does well but Shared Property is the one I keep looking at...

The two Dorochenko runners? Ummm, why are they here?

[Left Bank]

I was hoping El Padrino would lose.Rosie and Mark Valeski gave it one hell of a shot!

[Linny]

On paper El Padrino should have crushed them. He crushed all but Mark Valeski who was dead game inside the winner while exchanging contact. While El Padrino may be a nice one he's not yet any kind of sensation in my book. Last fall he had some serious work on his legs before the Remsen, which I think he may have been rushed to make. His slop return was a monster but he's bred to move up on wet going and did. Maybe he bounced today and will run a monster next time.
Mark Valeski impressed me in defeat, moving up in class and getting a "gut check" race. When it come to the Derby, I like to see horses looked in the eye (figuratively and literally) and not back down. I don't know if he's going to prove on par with the top of the clas, but he showed class today.

[Thunder Gulch]

Speaking of El Padrino's legs, I haven't watched the replay, but didn't he stay on his left lead way too long?

[El Padrino]

excelent time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by El Padrino

excelent time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can also note that he went only about 2 lengths faster than the 3yo fillies in the Rachel Alexandra did at the same distance.

The horse who finished 4th by 6 lengths took 9 tries to break his maiden and was 87-to-1 as a part-of-entry.

It was an acceptable performance for a Top 5 Derby contender because the come-home time was fairly strong and the trip the winner had is a tougher one at Fairgrounds (probably the most inside friendly dirt track in the entire country meet in and meet out over the last couple years) than at other tracks.

However...he's going to have to run a whole lot better than that to get a blanket of roses ... and Pletcher 3yo's who start early in Florida and move-up are lucky to be holding form by May...let alone breaking through it. Also, the sire of this horse raced just six times and gets a lot of unsound horses .. the dam only raced once ... as last year showed so glaringly, health is more important than anything with these young and underraced horses who appear more and more fragile as a group all the time.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Hoist Her Flag

Take Charge Indy has not had a published work since that Allowance Race. At this point that is not good.

He worked yesterday. I'm hearing as originally planned he is still a go for the Tampa Bay Derby. If anything he was flattered by El Padrinos race.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He worked yesterday. I'm hearing as originally planned he is still a go for the Tampa Bay Derby. If anything he was flattered by El Padrinos race.

Where are you "hearing" things from? Two days ago you had no idea if the horse was even in training, resorting to posting an SOS on this board.

And, by the way, how was Take Charge Indy flattered by El Padrino winning the Risen Star? He was browbeat by El Padrino. I guess Union Rags flattered him in the FOY, too.

In reality, it's Shared Property who serves as the most accurate barometer of Take Charge Indy's talent.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Where are you "hearing" things from? Two days ago you had no idea if the horse was even in training, resorting to posting an SOS on this board.

I have about a 70-page printout that has a mobile and sometime also a home phone number for almost every trainer in the country. I got it from a jockey agent.

I've got two different mobile numbers for Baffert. If I really ever wanted to be sadistic...I could scan and forward it to PG '85.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I have about a 70-page printout that has a mobile and sometime also a home phone number for almost every trainer in the country. I got it from a jockey agent.

What did he do...staple a bunch of condition books together?

I've got two different mobile numbers for Baffert. If I really ever wanted to be sadistic...I could scan and forward it to PG '85.

Here's the conversation between the two:

What PG hears: "The mailbox of the number you have dialed is full."

What BB hears: "You have 600 unheard messages."

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What did he do...staple a bunch of condition books together?

It's just like a Master phone list print out. I use it for quotes when I write columns.

I remember the agent telling me not to bug too many of these guys -- I told him I'd rather shoot myself in the head than talk to these guys.

Michael Dickinson was yelling and screaming "you're asking the wrong questions!" at me over and over when I was asking him any question about Tapeta that didn't involve horse safety.

Stephanie Beattie lied right to me about horses being "new in her barn" who had overages even though I had PP's in front of me showing she was the trainer of record on said horses for over a year or more prior.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Where are you "hearing" things from? Two days ago you had no idea if the horse was even in training, resorting to posting an SOS on this board.

And, by the way, how was Take Charge Indy flattered by El Padrino winning the Risen Star? He was browbeat by El Padrino. I guess Union Rags flattered him in the FOY, too.

In reality, it's Shared Property who serves as the most accurate barometer of Take Charge Indy's talent.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I have about a 70-page printout that has a mobile and sometime also a home phone number for almost every trainer in the country. I got it from a jockey agent.

I've got two different mobile numbers for Baffert. If I really ever wanted to be sadistic...I could scan and forward it to PG '85.

I would never call the GOAT.

[Indian Charlie]

Yes you would.