secret circle

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I think Hoss's analysis would have been perfect if the race didn't come back as fast as it did. Where are the other fast races to this point?

I can't really disagree with this either. Not a lot of fast races to this point.

What did you think of Isn't He Clever? I don't know how far he'll stretch but he looked pretty good last time.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What did you think of Isn't He Clever? I don't know how far he'll stretch but he looked pretty good last time.

I had to look that one up. Never even heard of the horse and I'm fooling around with 8 tracks.

Smarty Jones 2yo gelding, wins at Zia and Sunland, nice win last. I don't know much about his competiton.

There's not much out there in this division that I can see at the major circuits.

I liked Fed Biz's maiden win. he got in an early duel with a horse who stopped to a walk -- and two more solid types for the So. Cal MSW level made moves at him which he shrugged off.

In terms of more obscure horses who still are maidens...

There's a money-burning hanger at the Fairgrounds named Sir Bond who's run two seconds and a third in three career starts. He's like an 80 Beyer horse.

This horse had the unblinkered bullet 1/8th at Keeneland April and has tremendous early speed. He's by Street Sense out of a mare who produced multiple Graded Stakes winning front-end speed-router Wiesman's Ferry.

He's had the great misfortune of being trained by Neil Howard. He's been grabbed and rated way back in all 3 career starts. Howard has him going 50 and change in routes -- and he keeps making these sweeping far turn moves and hanging badly in the stretch late.

It's been comedy to watch that horse ... but you at least know what you're getting with Howard. If he trained Caller One he'd try to make him into a slow breaking, deep closing, classic distance horse. At some point, hopefully before his 20th career start, Howard will allow him to run.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I had to look that one up. Never even heard of the horse and I'm fooling around with 8 tracks.

Smarty Jones 2yo gelding, wins at Zia and Sunland, nice win last. I don't know much about his competiton.

There's not much out there in this division that I can see at the major circuits.

I liked Fed Biz's maiden win. he got in an early duel with a horse who stopped to a walk -- and two more solid types for the So. Cal MSW level made moves at him which he shrugged off.

In terms of more obscure horses who still are maidens...

There's a money-burning hanger at the Fairgrounds named Sir Bond who's run two seconds and a third in three career starts. He's like an 80 Beyer horse.

This horse had the unblinkered bullet 1/8th at Keeneland April and has tremendous early speed. He's by Street Sense out of a mare who produced multiple Graded Stakes winning front-end speed-router Wiesman's Ferry.

He's had the great misfortune of being trained by Neil Howard. He's been grabbed and rated way back in all 3 career starts. Howard has him going 50 and change in routes -- and he keeps making these sweeping far turn moves and hanging badly in the stretch late.

It's been comedy to watch that horse ... but you at least know what you're getting with Howard. If he trained Caller One he'd try to make him into a slow breaking, deep closing, classic distance horse. At some point, hopefully before his 20th career start, Howard will allow him to run.

I would have loved to seen what horses like Mambo in Seattle, Grasshopper and, Brilliant would have down with one of today's super trainers.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I would have loved to seen what horses like Mambo in Seattle, Grasshopper and, Brilliant would have down with one of today's super trainers.

Howard did a great job with Mineshaft -- but he came from Europe to start with and didn't do much here for Howard until he exploded with first-time lasix and subsquently ran all outstanding races.

He's the anti-Baffert in terms of training.

[RockHardTen1985]

Back to Secret Circle. First stretch out, and the race came back fast enough. Ill give him one more shot. Its very likely he wires whatever race he shows up in next.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Ill give him one more shot.

Hope that doesn't seriously mean you liked him Saturday.

Secret Circle ran a faster pace figure in the 6f BC Juvie Sprint -- than anyone in the Breeders Cup Sprint field did.

Only a pace set by the badly fading The Factor (122) in the BC Dirt Mile produced a bigger pace figure than the BC Juvie sprint.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...03&postcount=1

Horses typically bomb when they stretch out off of 120 pace 96 final six furlong races and are taken off the lead going two-turns.