aren't we in the 21st century??

[Danzig]

that's my point, they're not free to choose. it's forced on them based on bs 'beliefs'. hell of a way to justify discrimination, with old fairy tales.

[Clip-Clop]

Haven't spent much time in these communities huh?

It is really something, my wife's hometown is right next door to Lakewood NJ which is the biggest Hasidim community in NJ. It is quite an interesting place.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's my point, they're not free to choose. it's forced on them based on bs 'beliefs'. hell of a way to justify discrimination, with old fairy tales.

I tend to think their freedom to choose their beliefs (BS or not) outweigh their freedom to choose a seat.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I tend to think their freedom to choose their beliefs (BS or not) outweigh their freedom to choose a seat.

i don't. people have a right to believe in invisible pink unicorns or flying spagetti monsters. they don't have a right to discriminate, regardless of what justification they use.

but i'll remember you said that the next time a muslim discussion starts, and you come up with a different opinion than the one above!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't. people have a right to believe in invisible pink unicorns or flying spagetti monsters. they don't have a right to discriminate, regardless of what justification they use.

but i'll remember you said that the next time a muslim discussion starts, and you come up with a different opinion than the one above!

You painted yourself into a corner there Dell, using that logic, Islamic fathers would have a "right" to kill their daughters.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You painted yourself into a corner there Dell, using that logic, Islamic fathers would have a "right" to kill their daughters.

Yea sitting in the back of a bus is the same as being killed.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea sitting in the back of a bus is the same as being killed.

No but justifying one group's abuse of women on the grounds of religious freedom and not another's is inconsistent. So you are saying it's a matter of degree? Some abuses are ok and some not? Who makes that determination?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No but justifying one group's abuse of women on the grounds of religious freedom and not another's is inconsistent. So you are saying it's a matter of degree? Some abuses are ok and some not? Who makes that determination?

Until the women decide they want to ride in front there is no abuse. IMO It's all their decision. They choose to follow a religion that wants them in back for some BS reason and they accept that. If they are in fact riding in back because of a theat they will be beaten then we have abuse.

I have no problem with muslim women wearing burkas, praying seperately from men etc. I do have a problem with them being beaten, married off as minors and killed which are all obviously abuse. I have problems with the entire Islamic faith when they preach non-believers (infidels) should be killed which, admittedly does not include the whole muslim world, just a substantial portion of it.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but i'll remember you said that the next time a muslim discussion starts, and you come up with a different opinion than the one above!

When they start beating and killing them for sitting in the front, in the name of honor you'll hear me going off on them as strong as I do for the muslims presently engaged in this behavior.

Until the women seated in back decide they want to sit in the front their rights have not been violated.