Frankel

[freddymo]

someone post the replay please

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

someone post the replay please

Go to www.racingpost.com

Click on the Frankel story, should have the stretch run.

[freddymo]

Impressive horse.. They seem set on running him at 4.. He rated a bit today also, doesnt even look like he is running fast?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Impressive horse.. They seem set on running him at 4.. He rated a bit today also, doesnt even look like he is running fast?

From the post-race comments, Henry Cecil suddenly seems hellbent on running him at 10f.

Maybe he'll come over for the Hollywood Derby.

[King Glorious]

Personally, I couldn't care less if he comes over here. If he ran here, all I'd be doing is watching the race on tv, just as I have his other races so where he races makes no difference. Also, coming over here would not provide him with tougher competition. The horses he's facing there are far superior to what he'd face here. It would be like the Packers winning the Super Bowl but then having to go prove themselves against Michigan.

The horse is a top class runner wherever he runs and whatever distance he runs at. I don't think that he has to run further to prove that. It would be nice, of course, but not necessary. Can you rate him ahead of a horse like Zarkava, who was able to beat Goldikova at a mile and win the Arc? Ahead of Sea the Stars, who was also versatile enough to win going short and long? My head says no but I do believe that he's good a miler as I've seen and just because they haven't tried something doesn't mean to me that he can't do it. Two races before winning the BC Classic, Ghostzapper had never won at 9f.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Personally, I couldn't care less if he comes over here. If he ran here, all I'd be doing is watching the race on tv, just as I have his other races so where he races makes no difference. Also, coming over here would not provide him with tougher competition. The horses he's facing there are far superior to what he'd face here. It would be like the Packers winning the Super Bowl but then having to go prove themselves against Michigan.

Who exactly has Frankel beaten? Zoffany, who almost tagged him at Ascot, ran last behind Gio Ponti in the Shadwell Mile recently. Excelebration and Dubawi Gold have placed behind Frankel multiple times this year. They're like his Washington Generals. He hasn't faced on Goldikova. He beat Canford Cliffs in the Sussex, but it was fairly evident that one was injured during the running of the race.

The horse is a top class runner wherever he runs and whatever distance he runs at. I don't think that he has to run further to prove that. It would be nice, of course, but not necessary.

So we should just take it for granted that he would have won the Derby, the Eclipse, the BC Classic, etc. Good stuff.

Can you rate him ahead of a horse like Zarkava, who was able to beat Goldikova at a mile and win the Arc? Ahead of Sea the Stars, who was also versatile enough to win going short and long? My head says no but I do believe that he's good a miler as I've seen and just because they haven't tried something doesn't mean to me that he can't do it. Two races before winning the BC Classic, Ghostzapper had never won at 9f.

This is all an elaborate way of saying King Glorious would have beat Sunday Silence and Easy Goer at 10f, isn't it?

[King Glorious]

You are good at interpreting things the way you want to. There is no point in debating with that. I sure don't think I said he'd win those races but if that's how you take it, that's up to you. All I said is that I dont automatically say that he couldn't have.

And no, I don't think KG would have beaten them at 10f. I think at 9f he could have maybe done it if he was allowed an easy lead. I'm positive he could have done so at 8f. At 10f, if he was lone speed, I would have bet him and hoped for the best but not expected it. Don't know what this has to do with Frankel though.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Personally, I couldn't care less if he comes over here. If he ran here, all I'd be doing is watching the race on tv, just as I have his other races so where he races makes no difference. Also, coming over here would not provide him with tougher competition. The horses he's facing there are far superior to what he'd face here. It would be like the Packers winning the Super Bowl but then having to go prove themselves against Michigan.

The horse is a top class runner wherever he runs and whatever distance he runs at. I don't think that he has to run further to prove that. It would be nice, of course, but not necessary. Can you rate him ahead of a horse like Zarkava, who was able to beat Goldikova at a mile and win the Arc? Ahead of Sea the Stars, who was also versatile enough to win going short and long? My head says no but I do believe that he's good a miler as I've seen and just because they haven't tried something doesn't mean to me that he can't do it. Two races before winning the BC Classic, Ghostzapper had never won at 9f.

of course he has to run successfully at 10f to prove he could. otherwise it's pure speculation. if he never tries, there's a reason for it.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

of course he has to run successfully at 10f to prove he could. otherwise it's pure speculation. if he never tries, there's a reason for it.

Of course he'd have to do it to prove he could. That much is obvious. Again, I've never said he could. I don't know either way. All I said was that there was no proof that he couldn't.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Impressive horse.. They seem set on running him at 4.. He rated a bit today also, doesnt even look like he is running fast?

Full race, keep the mute button handy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65QCKTzBw1w