Frankel

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Cansfield Cliffs put a whipping on the great Goldikova in his previous start.

Canford Cliffs beat Goldikova by 3/4 of a length...and FWIW, Peslier was a pound over. Hardly a whipping. Cape Blanco comes back to run well, then wins a G1 in America.

Now onto more topics, and in defense of Calzone Lord...

I can sit back and, with absolutely no worry, enjoy that performance and the race itself. It was a beauty...............

But I am completely, overwhelmingly, UNWILLING to hand out superlatives like the rest of the 21st century yahoos who, in this 24-7 media world, always need to find some degree of how one particular entity (horse, race, ride...in racing parlance, or anything else in the world of sport) is a crowning achievement, the best of the best, etc. Hell, five hours after the call was made, SportsCenter was anointing that home plate play in the 19th inning of the Pirates/Braves game as possibly the worst call EVER! EVER!!!!!!! That's a lot of flippin history of dunce umpiring, not to mention this call was made at 2am.

When I see comments from people that they were crying about this win (as I saw on Facebook), and that some thought they'd never see anything like it again when Goldikova won 3 BC Miles, and suddenly, seven months later they are spewing forth with another round of superlatives for a horse whose career has spanned eight races in 11 months.

Henry Cecil has the right to call Frankel the best horse he's ever laid eyes on, presuming (he's trained many champions, and he has that right) you expect him to know his own stock. But in terms of the rest of us hacks, trying to put perspective on a performance...how about we all use the best modifier for lending perspective...TIME.

Let TIME go by before we declare some of these horses, through eight freakin races, truly great, the best of all time, the supreme champion.

You know why we have to wait? Cause the jolly criers are going to be all aflutter when the next amazing horse of a lifetime crops up next year, or this year, or hasn't debuted yet, or two years from now, etc, etc, etc. A year ago, no one ever heard of Frankel the horse...TIME will tell, and pardon me if happiness in my racing mind isn't sated with another overwhelming superlative. I'll enjoy it for what it was, but reserve personal judgment and superlatives for the passage of time and more experience. It's sensible, rational, and just makes the most damn sense. Those lobbing the ridiculous praise...I'll keep shaking my head and paying no attention to them.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

When I see comments from people that they were crying about this win (as I saw on Facebook),

I cry whenever I read a Molly Jo Rosen status update.

Worse - was the great A. A. R. O. N. --- H. E. S. Z. asking if he was the greatest Euro 3yo of all-time and babbling on and on about his "turn of foot"

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I cry whenever I read a Molly Jo Rosen status update.

Worse - was the great A. A. R. O. N. --- H. E. S. Z. asking if he was the greatest Euro 3yo of all-time and babbling on and on about his "turn of foot"

Wait, you don't think she's smokin hot?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by philcski

Wait, you don't think she's smokin hot?

[Indian Charlie]

I want that diamond/checkerboard sweater.

[Calzone Lord]

You'll have to see if PBA1817 will let you borrow it.

[Indian Charlie]

I'll roll him for that sweater.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by philcski

Wait, you don't think she's smokin hot?

I've seen better heads on pimples and nickel beers

[philcski]

Originally Posted by robfla

I've seen better heads on pimples and nickel beers

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I'm so good- I KNEW my man Dougie would post that photo when I wrote that.

Thank you sir for making me feel good about myself for once!

[brockguy]

I can't think of a better 3 year old I've seen in my lifetime / The runner up may have run a little under his best (I don't have it in front of me but I think he beat the 3rd by 2lengths less than he did at Royal Ascot so he wasn't a mile below what he is capable!) but Frankel readily took care of him and won very cozily - He actually would be a national icon if he came back to run next year!!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I can't think of a better 3 year old I've seen in my lifetime / The runner up may have run a little under his best (I don't have it in front of me but I think he beat the 3rd by 2lengths less than he did at Royal Ascot so he wasn't a mile below what he is capable!) but Frankel readily took care of him and won very cozily - He actually would be a national icon if he came back to run next year!!

The runnerup ran like crap.

I don't know how people don't see that.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

The runnerup ran like crap.

I don't know how people don't see that.

Why are you so sure he ran like crap?

[Seattleallstar]

thats some BS if they dont even attempt the Arc, if this is supposedly the best horse of all European times.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Canford Cliffs beat Goldikova by 3/4 of a length...and FWIW, Peslier was a pound over. Hardly a whipping. Cape Blanco comes back to run well, then wins a G1 in America.

Now onto more topics, and in defense of Calzone Lord...

I can sit back and, with absolutely no worry, enjoy that performance and the race itself. It was a beauty...............

But I am completely, overwhelmingly, UNWILLING to hand out superlatives like the rest of the 21st century yahoos who, in this 24-7 media world, always need to find some degree of how one particular entity (horse, race, ride...in racing parlance, or anything else in the world of sport) is a crowning achievement, the best of the best, etc. Hell, five hours after the call was made, SportsCenter was anointing that home plate play in the 19th inning of the Pirates/Braves game as possibly the worst call EVER! EVER!!!!!!! That's a lot of flippin history of dunce umpiring, not to mention this call was made at 2am.

When I see comments from people that they were crying about this win (as I saw on Facebook), and that some thought they'd never see anything like it again when Goldikova won 3 BC Miles, and suddenly, seven months later they are spewing forth with another round of superlatives for a horse whose career has spanned eight races in 11 months.

Henry Cecil has the right to call Frankel the best horse he's ever laid eyes on, presuming (he's trained many champions, and he has that right) you expect him to know his own stock. But in terms of the rest of us hacks, trying to put perspective on a performance...how about we all use the best modifier for lending perspective...TIME.

Let TIME go by before we declare some of these horses, through eight freakin races, truly great, the best of all time, the supreme champion.

You know why we have to wait? Cause the jolly criers are going to be all aflutter when the next amazing horse of a lifetime crops up next year, or this year, or hasn't debuted yet, or two years from now, etc, etc, etc. A year ago, no one ever heard of Frankel the horse...TIME will tell, and pardon me if happiness in my racing mind isn't sated with another overwhelming superlative. I'll enjoy it for what it was, but reserve personal judgment and superlatives for the passage of time and more experience. It's sensible, rational, and just makes the most damn sense. Those lobbing the ridiculous praise...I'll keep shaking my head and paying no attention to them.

I understand what you are saying and for the most part, I agree with you. But sometimes, something becomes so obviously clear that time is not needed and anyone that's got some experience in watching things can know what they've seen. I go back to Lammtarra in 1994-95. He only raced four times in his career but after winning a 7f maiden race as a 2yo in October, he didn't return again until the Epsom Derby and won that while setting a course record. Then he won the King George and finished it off with the Arc. Any horse that can do that is a great horse. I don't care if it was only four races.

If I watch Kyrie Irving come out this year and average 35 points and 14 assists and see him hanging triple-doubles in Rose and Williams and Rondo, he could retire after one year and I'd know that he had all-time great talent.

I am not saying that Frankel should or shouldn't be annointed now. Personally, I think he's made his way into the conversation of best horses I've seen since I started watching races in 1986 but I couldn't argue with anyone that doesn't think he deserves that just yet.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Canford Cliffs beat Goldikova by 3/4 of a length...and FWIW, Peslier was a pound over. Hardly a whipping. Cape Blanco comes back to run well, then wins a G1 in America.



But I am completely, overwhelmingly, UNWILLING to hand out superlatives like the rest of the 21st century yahoos who, in this 24-7 media world, always need to find some degree of how one particular entity (horse, race, ride...in racing parlance, or anything else in the world of sport) is a crowning achievement, the best of the best, etc. Hell, five hours after the call was made, SportsCenter was anointing that home plate play in the 19th inning of the Pirates/Braves game as possibly the worst call EVER! EVER!!!!!!! That's a lot of flippin history of dunce umpiring, not to mention this call was made at 2am.

When I see comments from people that they were crying about this win (as I saw on Facebook), and that some thought they'd never see anything like it again when Goldikova won 3 BC Miles, and suddenly, seven months later they are spewing forth with another round of superlatives for a horse whose career has spanned eight races in 11 months.

Henry Cecil has the right to call Frankel the best horse he's ever laid eyes on, presuming (he's trained many champions, and he has that right) you expect him to know his own stock. But in terms of the rest of us hacks, trying to put perspective on a performance...how about we all use the best modifier for lending perspective...TIME.

Let TIME go by before we declare some of these horses, through eight freakin races, truly great, the best of all time, the supreme champion.

You know why we have to wait? Cause the jolly criers are going to be all aflutter when the next amazing horse of a lifetime crops up next year, or this year, or hasn't debuted yet, or two years from now, etc, etc, etc. A year ago, no one ever heard of Frankel the horse...TIME will tell, and pardon me if happiness in my racing mind isn't sated with another overwhelming superlative. I'll enjoy it for what it was, but reserve personal judgment and superlatives for the passage of time and more experience. It's sensible, rational, and just makes the most damn sense. Those lobbing the ridiculous praise...I'll keep shaking my head and paying no attention to them.

i usually don't say much ....just read. but this is a great post except for the "media" part. what about the social media like this forum??? these guys have the "best horse ever syndrome" just about every other month. all a horse has to do is win a couple of races and its the next secretariat.....i don't have to list the horses we all can read but every horse that was supposed to be great, when most turned out to be flops in the end. the media is a reflection of the public.....they blow things up, exagerate, praise and use hyperbola because people like the ones declaring this horse the greatest and that horse the greatest on here .....eat it up. wait until a 2yo comes up with a "break through perfomance" ...the media and people here will have him winning the derby "in november".....his speed ratings will be through the roof....."hes faster than the older horses"....blah,blah, blah. basically, many people are "junkies" for this crap, its like a drug. so the media feeds it to them....its not just sports...its politics and the rest too....at least you are smart enough to sift through it and think for yourself.....excuse me the horse of the "week" is blind luck so i have to read about how she can beat everything on earth now......lol.....hint...we are all flesh and bones ...including these horses ....when you find pegasus let me know......lol. i'm sure someone on here will find one by next month, if they can't the media will tell you how great this horse is....lol....JOLLY CRIERS..... i love it dude...that was priceless.

[Dahoss]

lol

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

lol

I knew this would humor you...Its special

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i usually don't say much ....just read. but this is a great post except for the "media" part. what about the social media like this forum??? these guys have the "best horse ever syndrome" just about every other month. all a horse has to do is win a couple of races and its the next secretariat.....i don't have to list the horses we all can read but every horse that was supposed to be great, when most turned out to be flops in the end. the media is a reflection of the public.....they blow things up, exagerate, praise and use hyperbola because people like the ones declaring this horse the greatest and that horse the greatest on here .....eat it up. wait until a 2yo comes up with a "break through perfomance" ...the media and people here will have him winning the derby "in november".....his speed ratings will be through the roof....."hes faster than the older horses"....blah,blah, blah. basically, many people are "junkies" for this crap, its like a drug. so the media feeds it to them....its not just sports...its politics and the rest too....at least you are smart enough to sift through it and think for yourself.....excuse me the horse of the "week" is blind luck so i have to read about how she can beat everything on earth now......lol.....hint...we are all flesh and bones ...including these horses ....when you find pegasus let me know......lol. i'm sure someone on here will find one by next month, if they can't the media will tell you how great this horse is....lol....JOLLY CRIERS..... i love it dude...that was priceless.

Before reading a Johnny Pinwheel post ....

If you eat a fat bag of mushrooms right after about 4 hits of acid, then eat both a Calzone from Luchetti's AND an Egg Roll Deluxe from Golden Wok...

the visuals man...the visuals!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Before reading a Johnny Pinwheel post ....

If you eat a fat bag of mushrooms right after about 4 hits of acid, then eat both a Calzone from Luchetti's AND an Egg Roll Deluxe from Golden Wok...

the visuals man...the visuals!

The only thing I can visualize is the back end of the Egg Roll Calzone double..NOT a pretty picture

[Calzone Lord]

In that case - the content of a Johnny Pinwheel post.