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Old 06-10-2011, 06:20 PM
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Way too early to think those early wagers are an indicator of race day odds; but it sure shows the media splurge and expert picks of Master of Hounds have dropped his odds, and at the seemingly sole expense of the disrespected Shackleford.

If it's wet, I'll box Shackleford and Mucho Macho Man
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Old 06-10-2011, 06:54 PM
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Windward Islands for the upset in the Manhattan.
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:51 AM
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"Local" early odds...

1. Master of Hounds, 5-1
2. Stay Thirsty, 12-1
3. Ruler On Ice, 42-1
4. Santiva, 8-1
5. Brilliant Speed, 9-1
6. Nehro, 5-1
7. Monzon, 55-1
8. Prime Cut, 18-1
9. Animal Kingdom, 5-2
10. Mucho Macho Man, 6-1
11. Isn’t He Perfect, 39-1
12. Shackleford, 16-1
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:02 AM
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"Local" early odds...

1. Master of Hounds, 5-1
2. Stay Thirsty, 12-1
3. Ruler On Ice, 42-1
4. Santiva, 8-1
5. Brilliant Speed, 9-1
6. Nehro, 5-1
7. Monzon, 55-1
8. Prime Cut, 18-1
9. Animal Kingdom, 5-2
10. Mucho Macho Man, 6-1
11. Isn’t He Perfect, 39-1
12. Shackleford, 16-1

I think this will change significantly ( esp Shackelford ) as it represents "on-track" only. A better indicator may be the Brooklyn/Belmont DD will pays where Shackleford is just over 2x's Animal Kingdom's price, and Master of Hounds is the same will-pay as Animal Kingdom


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Old 06-11-2011, 08:06 AM
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It also represents NYRA Rewards.

It really depends on how big the pool is. Early betting at CD is local only, and though I thought it changed, many here said it doesn't that much.

I just cannot believe that Shackleford will be 16-1 come post time, especially if it's wet.
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Old 06-11-2011, 08:13 AM
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Who are the horses in the Belmont that would do best on a wet track?
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Old 06-11-2011, 12:40 PM
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Travelin Man for third in the Stephens.
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I give up, its been a very frustrating Belmont Saturday for me. Only a Master of Hounds win will save my weekend
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Ruler on Ice was the only horse in the race with an off track win. Now, granted it wasn't a particularly good off track win, but nonetheless.

For those of us not from the NYC who don't get to see Andy Serling regularly, he was pretty phenomenal through the card with his pre-race analysis.
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Old 06-11-2011, 07:17 PM
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I prefer crazy and odd results over dumb wagering plays and mistakes. I didn't make any mistakes on the race... Not in a millions years would I have played the winner.
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Ruler on Ice was the only horse in the race with an off track win. Now, granted it wasn't a particularly good off track win, but nonetheless.

For those of us not from the NYC who don't get to see Andy Serling regularly, he was pretty phenomenal through the card with his pre-race analysis.
Thank you. That's very nice of you to say.
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